iOS, iPhone, iPad and music 101 - Page 10

Duke21 · #**181** 01-03-2013, 10:15 AM

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Originally Posted by CrUiSeR

cananyone confirm if audiobus works on a 3gs, the app descriptions says it can't, it also says that it can!?
also fwiw the peavey ampkit link is on sale at gc for 14.99

I have a 3GS myself... but I can tell you now, I will not try this. I use Audiobus on my iPad1. I use the Prieto Loophole method and my iPad1 with its A4 cpu manage this task. But I feel that A4 is JUST enough, so it manage this but just.

Duke21 · #**182** 01-03-2013, 10:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Rip Topaz

Wow I walk away for an hour or two and y'all start fighting!! Lol. I gotta stop sleeping!!

I agree with Adam. As much as we'd all like the highest possible specs on these devices, we should all remember that at some point the human ear just can't tell the difference anymore.
For me, 44.1 is good enough. Hell, my digital recorder records at the same rate, and I've never heard a complaint that it sounded bad.

The focus needs to be on the headphone jack. What I mean is that thanks to the Apogee and a few other interfaces, we've got a great input signal, now we need to focus on retaining that on the way back out of the device.

Snobbery can't exist here, since we're all in the same boat. We're all trying to get the best possible sound out of our rigs, so getting crazy with the details IS important, but lets also try to be realistic.

How good is good enough?

Totally agree on the snobbery!! Snobbery is a thing for those who play real bass amps!!! They do place this and that on stage just in order to impress the public

Our gear is incognito, and we our snobbery is virtual!!

smeet · #**183** 01-03-2013, 11:26 AM

According to the Alesis support site, the io dock is 16 bit, 44.1k A/D and D/A.
They also say that the iPad is limited to this resolution, so I'm not sure how the Apogee claims to do 24/48 or whatever it does.

I also saw a whole lot of unhappy people because Alesis is not going to implement sysex for the io dock. Apparently they tried and could not do it due to hardware limitations of some kind. It doesn't affect me, but it does seem like a significant shortcoming depending on your usage.

Duke21 · #**184** 01-03-2013, 11:31 AM

iPad can do 24/48 at least, at least it is what I know. There is a FLAC player for playing HiRes FLAC files.
Apogee can be used with Mac so for sure 24/48 is possible there.

Duke21 · #**185** 01-03-2013, 11:34 AM

What is sysex?

smeet · #**186** 01-03-2013, 11:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Duke21

iPad can do 24/48 at least, at least it is what I know. There is a FLAC player for playing HiRes FLAC files.
Apogee can be used with Mac so for sure 24/48 is possible there.

From the Alesis support site:

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David Gill (Employee) 1 year ago
The iO Dock does have it's own high quality converters. The iPad will only handle 16/44, so that is the limitation.

So is he incorrect? Or perhaps the Apogee automatically adapts to the highest resolution the host can handle. I know some devices will do this.

Looks like he was incorrect. Shame on Alesis.

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Originally Posted by Duke21

What is sysex?

Sysex is System Exclusive MIDI data. Here's a link:
http://electronicmusic.wikia.com/wiki/System_exclusive

Basically, sysex allows the transfer of arbitrary hardware-specific data like patch dumps, and also allows remote editing of synths and other devices. Important if you want the iPad to be the control surface for a full studio of MIDI-compliant devices.

Duke21 · #**187** 01-03-2013, 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by smeet

From the Alesis support site:

So is he incorrect? Or perhaps the Apogee automatically adapts to the highest resolution the host can handle. I know some devices will do this.

Looks like he was incorrect. Shame on Alesis.

Sysex is System Exclusive MIDI data. Here's a link:
http://electronicmusic.wikia.com/wiki/System_exclusive

Basically, sysex allows the transfer of arbitrary hardware-specific data like patch dumps, and also allows remote editing of synths and other devices. Important if you want the iPad to be the control surface for a full studio of MIDI-compliant devices.

The iPad have 16/44.1 limitation through the analog/ headphone in/ out. But using external A/D or D/A gives you at least 24/48. I can record clips with 24/48 on MT DAW and Apogee jam or iTrack.

smeet · #**188** 01-03-2013, 12:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Duke21

The iPad have 16/44.1 limitation through the analog/ headphone in/ out. But using external A/D or D/A gives you at least 24/48. I can record clips with 24/48 on MT DAW and Apogee jam or iTrack.

I believe you are correct. But the Alesis tech help guy said (more than once) that the iPad won't handle more than 16/44 digital. It doesn't give me much confidence in Alesis if their tech support people don't understand the platform they work on.

adambomb · #**189** 01-03-2013, 01:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Duke21

.......our snobbery is virtual!!

fivestringgecko · #**190** 01-03-2013, 01:18 PM

Not really related to any discussion in particular, but I was perusing the app store last night and found a fun little synth app called LaunchKey. Not as in-depth as other (paid) synth apps, but some cool options and sounds, and it's free. Not sure if it works with Audiobus or DAW though.

5sg.

Mound of Sound · #**191** 01-03-2013, 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by evil-g

The IO Dock works with the iPad 2 perfectly. You may not want pay attention to the amazon reviews ( they're old ). My IO Dock works really well, including the midi.

Damn. I knew I should've gotten the io dock! Anyway, I should be getting my Apogee JAM today. We'll see how it works out. Who knows, there may be a JAM at a discounted price on here soon.

CrUiSeR · #**192** 01-03-2013, 04:25 PM

thanks for the answers!

Mound of Sound · #**193** 01-03-2013, 08:07 PM

Okay, so here's a couple of questions about Jamup XT Pro I have:

1) Can I use the "JAM" part of the app on an iPad? When I try to select a song, it only shows for iPad (even when synced to me iTunes server, aka Windows laptop)

2) Can a foot controller be hooked up via MIDI to change presets (ex. an ADA-MC1 to MIDI in of an Alesis iO Dock)?

Got the Apogee JAM tonight. Worked perfect out of the box with my iPad 2!!! I'm ready to unleash!

steve_rolfeca · #**194** 01-03-2013, 08:08 PM

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Originally Posted by kevinmoore73

It was actually nine years.

Good point. The iPhone is only 5 years old, but the 30-pin connector dates back to the earlier iPods...

I was just as frustrated as anyone else when I realized I'd got to buy a couple of expensive adapters if I wanted an iPhone 5. Still, I do see the advantages to the new connector- it's a better design electrically as well as mechanically, and I imagine it's cheaper to make, as well.

I guess maybe it's easier for me to roll with the punches on this because I'm such an old fart. One major connector change in nearly a decade seems like small beer, when I think back to my Palm Pilot days. They did a new dock connector roughly every model, or about 1 a year...

Duke21 · #**195** 01-03-2013, 11:59 PM

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Originally Posted by steve_rolfeca

Good point. The iPhone is only 5 years old, but the 30-pin connector dates back to the earlier iPods...

I was just as frustrated as anyone else when I realized I'd got to buy a couple of expensive adapters if I wanted an iPhone 5. Still, I do see the advantages to the new connector- it's a better design electrically as well as mechanically, and I imagine it's cheaper to make, as well.

I guess maybe it's easier for me to roll with the punches on this because I'm such an old fart. One major connector change in nearly a decade seems like small beer, when I think back to my Palm Pilot days. They did a new dock connector roughly every model, or about 1 a year...

Palm Pilot, are you that old?

Ha ha, well I had a Palm Pilot as well!

Rip Topaz · #**196** 01-04-2013, 04:13 AM

Ha!! Palm Pilots were SO bad!!

steve_rolfeca · #**197** 01-04-2013, 06:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Duke21

Palm Pilot, are you that old?

Dude, you have no idea. Back in '97 or '98 when I got my first one, I looked like the geek version of Dick Tracy. Palm in a belt holster, balanced off by an early Nokia CDMA digital cel phone and a Motorola pager on the other hip...

Rip Topaz · #**198** 01-04-2013, 06:46 AM

And a beeper. Don't forget the beeper!!

steve_rolfeca · #**199** 01-04-2013, 07:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Rip Topaz

And a beeper. Don't forget the beeper!!

Pager = beeper

I used to get Christmas cards from the Duracell distributor...

Duke21 · #**200** 01-04-2013, 07:13 AM

For me, my first iPod Touch gen.2 was really the first time a PDA really impressed me. It was such a great thing. Reading mail, listening to music, surfing the web, and playing bass!
Now I feel like the iPad mini is kind of the perfect PDA.
Apple really done some fine things with this iDevices, and the best thing is how well they work of emulation software.
I never dreamed that owning an iPad, and interface and some apps will stop me wanting to buy amps and pedals.