I'm sure you can get a good high gain guitar amp to sound what you want it too for bass but I was wanting to hear how the guitar amps sound with.....a guitar.... For my brother. I'm sure they are good from the videos I've seen but I haven't heard it in real life being used.
As a guitarist, I'm crap. However, I think I have a fairly well-developed ear for electric guitar tones, as part of my audio business involves building and modifying guitar amps.
My observations regarding JamUp's guitar amp modelling are as follows:
The amp models sound good, and capture the representative saturated distortion characteristics of each amp fairly well.
Where they fall down, is in the way they follow dynamics. They are very Pod 1.0, in the sense that you get a good "Marshall on 11" tone, but it doesn't clean up correctly when you roll your guitar volume back, and it doesn't break up smoothly as you dig in harder with your pick. There's nothing "3D" about the Jamup tones.
Also, the gain structures aren't accurate. For example, a real Tweed Deluxe has almost no clean headroom, breaks up very early, then gets almost Marshall-esque when all the knobs are dimed. In contrast, the JamUp Tweed Deluxe behaves more like a Blackface. It stays clean pretty far up the dial, and never hits full 5E3 rage, even with all the controls maxed out.
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The same thing about the gain structure I have noticed regarding the BDDI, before the update 2 weeks ago. But now the BDDI sound very very close to my real BDDI.
Definitely something to ask the guys at Positive Grid about. I just sent them a Twitter message asking them to set up a forum like IK's, so they could stay in better touch with their customers.
The videos on their site show all metal guys jamming. My guess is that they expect us to take the route that most metal players do, which is to create a separate preset for each needed tone.
I can see how this wouldn't work so well for blues, where dynamics come more into play, but for most styles, just making a new preset for clean and dirty tones is your best bet.
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That's what I was kinda getting with the ac30 on jamup free ...... It was good for what it is but it lacked the responsiveness that the "guitar" amps had in AT. But the bass amps on jamup are so much better. The fender amps in AT are better than the AT amps but of course not as responsive as the real fenders.....
but ......the fender ones definitely are a head above the others. That's why I'm keeping AT it still is a great APP..... They just need a super overhaul on the bass side and step up the game for bassists. I love the fact that jamup is soooooo good at bass amps because I think AT will try to do better..... Before jamup.... They didn't have to get better..... I with you though rip.... Jamup is a tinky name they should have just called it "positive grid- GEAR XT" or something else tougher.
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That's what I was kinda getting with the ac30 on jamup free ...... It was good for what it is but it lacked the responsiveness that the "guitar" amps had in AT. But the bass amps on jamup are so much better. The fender amps in AT are better than the AT amps but of course not as responsive as the real fenders.....
but ......the fender ones definitely are a head above the others. That's why I'm keeping AT it still is a great APP..... They just need a super overhaul on the bass side and step up the game for bassists. I love the fact that jamup is soooooo good at bass amps because I think AT will try to do better..... Before jamup.... They didn't have to get better..... I with you though rip.... Jamup is a tinky name they should have just called it "positive grid- GEAR XT" or something else tougher.
Maybe because many guitar players play mostly power chords they care less for dynamics
Na, just joking, I know when I like a good guitar tone, like Steve Hackett tome, but I've no idea how he/ they gets it.
Maybe because many guitar players play mostly power chords they care less for dynamics
Na, just joking, I know when I like a good guitar tone, like Steve Hackett tome, but I've no idea how he/ they gets it.
You had mentioned steve hackett before but I .......didn't know who it was... I just looked him up...... Genesis yeaaaaaaa he is quite good I didn't know his name.
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You had mentioned steve hackett before but I .......didn't know who it was... I just looked him up...... Genesis yeaaaaaaa he is quite good I didn't know his name.
Steve Hackett have this amazing smooth sustain tone, always loved his tone. But then I also like Steve Howe, Roine Stolt and many more. I know that Hackett used Amlitube on Squackett which Squire and Hackett gave out this summer.
Maybe we shell get Mr. Hackett to try Jamup XT?
Btw guys, it will be nice to know a bit more about you and what is your favorite type of music?
I'm if nobody guessed a very big fan of pro rock, so I really dig Genesis, Yes, Rush, Spock's Beard, Transatlantic, Marillion, The Flower Kings, King Crimson.
But I also like a lot of other type of rock. And with my previous band we played several cover songs, such as
Use somebody, by The Kings of Leon
House of the rising sun, The Animals
Let it be, The Beatles
Tom Sawyer, Rush
The final countdown, Europe
Don't stop believing, Journey
Here I go again, Whitesnake
Highway to hell, AC DC
So when it comes to it, I love playing lots of material which is usually not what I usually listening to. Ima open to play most of stuff as long as I know Icahn pull it off, as I'm quite a noob.... Been playing bass for only 5 years, and starting to play that "old" we'll, I do not have this natural agility of a 14 years old when they start to play!!
Btw, you know I love the B15R with the Møller on AT iOS but I think I found a replacement for this duo in Jamup:
It gives just as nice full and clear OD tone, with even more definition and less buzz. I didn't know the TurboRat can sound that good!
You can me use the B15 with the Rat on my latest clip on SC, thus a revisited Back to my Ric, using Audiobus and DAW as well.
Btw, I agree with Adam and the rest, the name Jamup "suck" and it is the only real weak pointer this great package! GEAR XT sound great.
So, now I know how to take several recordings on the MT DAW with the Jamup and Audiobus. Now I have to learn to edit these recordings, thus clipping, trimming, post processing.
Ok it's early, and my brain is still trying to suck the coffee out of my veins, but here's my story:
Started playing in 1981. We had a "gang" of four of us that loved music and always talked about starting a band. 1981 was the year that happened, when all of our parents got us our first instruments.
My first bands were glam rock, really nasty with not much substance. We played loud, we drank and smoked, we blacked out and forgot much of our teenage years!!
My biggest influences have always been the show-offs. Billy Sheehan was a HUGE influence, and for years I wanted to be just like him. Than I realized how few people care about bass solos, and moved on.
Black Sabbath. Geezer Butler is without a doubt my biggest influence, I learned to play by playing along to the first 5 Sabbath records. Actually wore out the grooves in my vinyl copy of the Paranoid album.
When I was about 25, I got really serious about my playing and teamed up with a friend who played acoustic guitar, and we spent over a year playing every open mic or dive bar that would have us, sometimes playing 7 nights a week. I loved that time period, and I pretty much learned how to play with others during that era. I played everywhere and anywhere I could.
Then came the 90's and I went metal. My band was actually pretty big in our area, and we opened for several big names before our guitarist died in a house fire, his Christmas tree lights igniting his house while he slept. Sad time.
Moving on, I took every gig I was offered. I played dance music, thrash metal, blues, and the occasional unplugged show. Even played in a Christian rock band for a spell.
30+ years on, I've still got that hunger, even though my health has deteriorated due to a back injury and several botched surgeries to fix it. I still play every day, and I'm never more than a few feet away from an instrument. I've hit the point in my playing that I can play what I hear, and drive my wife crazy playing stuff I hear on TV. I'm comfortable sitting in with any situation, and would be ok walking out on stage with just about any style of music, but still prefer plain old dirty rock n roll. Those sleazy grooves are just where it's at for me.
There's my story. I basically lived the "Sex, Drugs, and Rock n Roll" lifestyle for 30 years and lived to tell about it. Things are calmer these days, I'm married with kids, but my house is still the loudest on the block!!
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Btw, you know I love the B15R with the Møller on AT iOS but I think I found a replacement for this duo in Jamup:
It gives just as nice full and clear OD tone, with even more definition and less buzz. I didn't know the TurboRat can sound that good!
You can me use the B15 with the Rat on my latest clip on SC, thus a revisited Back to my Ric, using Audiobus and DAW as well.
Btw, I agree with Adam and the rest, the name Jamup "suck" and it is the only real weak pointer this great package! GEAR XT sound great.
Ok it's early, and my brain is still trying to suck the coffee out of my veins, but here's my story:
Started playing in 1981. We had a "gang" of four of us that loved music and always talked about starting a band. 1981 was the year that happened, when all of our parents got us our first instruments.
My first bands were glam rock, really nasty with not much substance. We played loud, we drank and smoked, we blacked out and forgot much of our teenage years!!
My biggest influences have always been the show-offs. Billy Sheehan was a HUGE influence, and for years I wanted to be just like him. Than I realized how few people care about bass solos, and moved on.
Black Sabbath. Geezer Butler is without a doubt my biggest influence, I learned to play by playing along to the first 5 Sabbath records. Actually wore out the grooves in my vinyl copy of the Paranoid album.
When I was about 25, I got really serious about my playing and teamed up with a friend who played acoustic guitar, and we spent over a year playing every open mic or dive bar that would have us, sometimes playing 7 nights a week. I loved that time period, and I pretty much learned how to play with others during that era. I played everywhere and anywhere I could.
Then came the 90's and I went metal. My band was actually pretty big in our area, and we opened for several big names before our guitarist died in a house fire, his Christmas tree lights igniting his house while he slept. Sad time.
Moving on, I took every gig I was offered. I played dance music, thrash metal, blues, and the occasional unplugged show. Even played in a Christian rock band for a spell.
30+ years on, I've still got that hunger, even though my health has deteriorated due to a back injury and several botched surgeries to fix it. I still play every day, and I'm never more than a few feet away from an instrument. I've hit the point in my playing that I can play what I hear, and drive my wife crazy playing stuff I hear on TV. I'm comfortable sitting in with any situation, and would be ok walking out on stage with just about any style of music, but still prefer plain old dirty rock n roll. Those sleazy grooves are just where it's at for me.
There's my story. I basically lived the "Sex, Drugs, and Rock n Roll" lifestyle for 30 years and lived to tell about it. Things are calmer these days, I'm married with kids, but my house is still the loudest on the block!!
Nice classical story, seems like you have experienced and learned a lot in these 30+ years!!
Love the glam rock bands back in the days but looking back on it ..... Super cheese
There are huge amounts of people that looooove bass solos but they are usually other bassists.
I was a marching band nerd from 7th grade on through graduation in 93' but always was into music of all kinds my whole life. It drew me like moth to flame.... I was not only a marcher but also in anything the band offered.....orchestra band jazz band too... I played the trombone throughout. Looking back I guess I was destined to play music. My dad who is now a pastor of a church and has been for about 40years now... Came out of high school and was in multiple rock bands and was a card toting member of the Atlanta studio musicians union and the most "recognized" band he was in was named "The Blenders" they were a "gospel" band of the late sixties. You won't find them on google or nothing there have been to many bands since with that name..... But they were modern for the time. Not your usual gospel they were more rock oriented like a mix of southern rock and the beach boys....any who that was way before I was thought of he then settled down and married my mom and had all us kids. I didn't know all this of him until I was almost 20 but by then I was already into may band and music of all sorts and was already on the path of self destruction I started in the rock bands I was in in the early 90's and I was the singer/rhythm guitarist for years writing lyrics and songs with other high school band nerds that were my friends. Loving the music of the time and our writing definitely showed that, musically (nirvana, soundgarden, smashing pumpkins, pixies, sonic youth, alice in chains, pearl jam) people told me back then that I sounded and with my long curly wave hair that I was like Eddie vedder so that's where we went a lot for covers and it was 75 percent cover band.... But my lyrics were all topics that dealt with God and our relationship as humans with Him. After graduation I got into another band that was doing the same but with my newer friends and my younger brother. these guys had my same mindset so the songs we made were ones that rocked a many youth retreats and lock ins and many youth pastors would call us to do their functions. we were much better musically and in writing than the first band. Our name with sunhill. That band grew to the point where they wanted to go big and quit our jobs and go touring around. I was married by then and quit that band because I had responsibility and said we should conquer our own area first..... Anywho they got another singer and didn't make it (whatdya know) I went down the road of college and did a lot of those things I'm not proud of for a lot longer than I wanted to do them.
I came back to senses and got back together with my brother and the guitarist from the better band and another friend of mine for fun and but we had no bass player and we could decide who was gonna do it so I knew if I did it it would be what I wanted to get from the bass player. And my bass days began and haven't put it down since so I am "the bass player" in everything since. Rock of many different kinds whatever that means now is my preference. But have been doing and loving whatever anyone will allow me to join in on. There are too many bands and genres to mention that have influenced me to mention before this post gets to long.......to late
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I always wanted to learn to play an instrument, but never made the commitment. Had a guitar for a few months and learned to strum a few chords, very poorly (this was in church).
I've always been a jock and sports, physical activity and the outdoors is where my heart has always been.
The first 20 yrs of my life were a mess and that's about as much as can be said.
Fast-forward about 30 yrs, and I find myself married, with two teen boys. The youngest would go mountain biking with me, he'd get up at 5a to go with me to the mountains to take pictures (this was in Colorado). The oldest was more into music, videos, computing, and I felt that I was "losing" him.
I decided to try bass playing and somehow aspire to become good enough to jam with my son.
So one day I walk into GC and ask the guy to put together a "package" for $200 or less. I walked out with a used Ibanez GSR-something (sold) and a Fender Rumble 15 (still have). By now, I've lost "a step", my vision is going and my hearing is gone.
But I dutifully applied myself to practice, got paid lessons at some point, read as much as I could, etc.
I can sub at church and play most CCM songs as long as it is not some crazy line requiring some serious chops. But that's the thing... so far, I can (painstakingly) transcribe someone else's (not overly complex) line, but I'm still very challenged when it comes to improvising my own lines in the context of a band situation where I need to fake my way through.
A curious thing that has happened to me is that now I listen to ALL music paying more attention to the bass parts. I pay attention to the tempo, and how the bass line interacts with the harmony. Because I can't hear very well, I "feel" more rather than "hear" all the nuances.
It takes me a lot of work to discover an end-to-end tone/EQ setting that works for me. I read about you guys talking various sound qualities and frequencies and I just marvel at your ability to do so. I hope to get there eventually.
I have discovered latin and acid jazz and I am in love with those genres.
I am a tinkerer and have learned (still learning) to do all setup and electronics work on my basses. I started with a 4 (Ibanez, later a CV60J) got a 5 to see what that was about, and more recently got a 6 (Essex Ursa 6). I feel I'm a 5er at heart.
My son and I are doing well nowadays. We jam together. He asks me to sub at his church every now and then. We play together in small/cell worship svcs. The other day my youngest son could not sing a certain song and asked us to go down to another key, and I was able to transpose my part on the fly... I felt so proud.
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I would agree that they're the ones that "started it all", but to me the Stones have more "feel/groove", and that with a singer that cannot sing at all!
I'm sure you can get a good high gain guitar amp to sound what you want it too for bass but I was wanting to hear how the guitar amps sound with.....a guitar.... For my brother. I'm sure they are good from the videos I've seen but I haven't heard it in real life being used. 
I just looked him up...... Genesis yeaaaaaaa 
