M9/M13 Tricks - Page 27

squeally dan · #**521** 01-03-2013, 10:35 AM

Anyone use the bass octave patch? Already have an m13 and would rather use it than by a boss oc2 if it sounds as good. Anyone using this?

TaySte_2000 · #**522** 01-03-2013, 11:14 AM

It's better than the OC-2, however 2 options if you're after something very OC-2 sounding try the Octave Down Fuzz with no gain as the main Octaver models the EBS so tracks a lot better than the OC-2

Rockin Mike · #**523** 01-03-2013, 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by squeally dan

Anyone use the bass octave patch? Already have an m13 and would rather use it than by a boss oc2 if it sounds as good. Anyone using this?

The octaver is one of my favorite sounds. I had a vintage 1982 Digitech Whammy WH1 pedal, and I sold it because the M13 was better. Cleaner, blend was better, tone was better, and it tracked better.

Like all octavers it likes a consistent gain going into it so it helps to have a compressor first in the chain.

squeally dan · #**524** 01-03-2013, 11:49 AM

Guys- thanks for the heads up. I will try those other options.

jasonmitsch · #**525** 02-02-2013, 12:11 PM

Is anyone using the Source Audio Hot Hand 3 with the M series? I'm struggling with setting the parameters for the "toe up" and "toe down" values on my M9. I can see the bars moving, but its all of them at once and uncontrollable. The only video I found on YouTube was in Korean and didn't cover the setup of the controller.

jasonmitsch · #**526** 02-02-2013, 03:06 PM

After a lot of trial and error and reading Gadgetjunky's reply to the hothand+fm4 thread, I was able to solve my own problem.

To assign the heel down position turn the depth nod all the way left. Adjust the parameters to taste.

To assign the toe down position turn the depth knob all the way right and adjust the parameters again.

Lastly, return the depth knob back all the way to the right.

Wave your hot hand ring around and listen to your crazy sounds

cheapbasslovin · #**527** 02-02-2013, 03:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jasonmitsch

After a lot of trial and error and reading Gadgetjunky's reply to the hothand+fm4 thread, I was able to solve my own problem.

To assign the heel down position turn the depth nod all the way left. Adjust the parameters to taste.

To assign the toe down position turn the depth knob all the way right and adjust the parameters again.

Lastly, return the depth knob back all the way to the right.

Wave your hot hand ring around and listen to your crazy sounds

That's good to know. I don't know if I'm ever going to break down and get a hot hand, but if I do this will be very helpful. Thanks.

Rockin Mike · #**528** 02-02-2013, 04:50 PM

I didn't even know you could use a hot hand with M13. Cool.

jasonmitsch · #**529** 02-02-2013, 08:58 PM

I'm curious to hear how other people are using the HH3 with the M9. So far I've only used it for the obvious wah effects with mixed results. The m9 just can't produce the sweeps like the BEFpro immediately. More knob twiddling required.

cheapbasslovin · #**530** 02-02-2013, 09:35 PM

Three places I'd think to try it:

The frequency control on the slow filter, maybe in conjunction with the speed control.

The EQ, drive, and output of the various distortions, especially the suboctave fuzz.

Delay speed.

jasonmitsch · #**531** 02-03-2013, 01:00 AM

I'm just going to call out Gadgetjunky because he is the most active TB member I've seen using line 6 and source audio. I just know he has secrets to share

FuturePrimitive · #**532** 02-03-2013, 10:49 AM

Has anyone come up with settings for a passable For Whom The Bell Tolls intro? I've tried a few different distortions/fuzz and combined with some of the wah settings (I do not have an exp pedal though) but it still sounds pretty bad to my ears. Doesn't need to be perfect, just "good enough" for a live setting.

Mo'Phat · #**533** 02-04-2013, 07:56 AM

Question -

I'm using a few distortion patches, the Fuzz Pi and Line 6 Distortion. Neither really seems to be affected by the incoming volume of my bass. I'll turn down the bass volume, and the OD's will be much louder than anticipated. I had originally set them both to somewhere near unity gain with my clean tone.

Question 2 -

When in the rehearsal studio, the OD tones are exactly how I want them. Full-bodied and right in the mix. However, when I play live, it seems the OD's just fall off the table...to the point that I have to look down to see if they actually engaged, and my bandmates wondered if I just didn't have it turned on.

I really don't want to have "rehearsal" and "live" settings, but this just has me scratching my head.

cheapbasslovin · #**534** 02-04-2013, 08:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mo'Phat

Question -

I'm using a few distortion patches, the Fuzz Pi and Line 6 Distortion. Neither really seems to be affected by the incoming volume of my bass. I'll turn down the bass volume, and the OD's will be much louder than anticipated. I had originally set them both to somewhere near unity gain with my clean tone.

Question 2 -

When in the rehearsal studio, the OD tones are exactly how I want them. Full-bodied and right in the mix. However, when I play live, it seems the OD's just fall off the table...to the point that I have to look down to see if they actually engaged, and my bandmates wondered if I just didn't have it turned on.

I really don't want to have "rehearsal" and "live" settings, but this just has me scratching my head.

My experience with the M13 is that the whole unit is pretty touch responsive, but only up to a certain input threshold and then you're screwed. So if your 'turned down' level is still above the threshold, your dynamics really suffer. This also effects your compressor, envelope filters, triggered filters, and any effect with a volsens parameter.

I can't help you with the second, I found that to be true with almost any distortion I've played.

Mo'Phat · #**535** 02-04-2013, 08:30 AM

Well, I'd prefer not to be screwed.

If I hear you right, I need to set the effects with maybe my 'middle-of-the-road' output bass, and hope for the best with regards to input-sensitive effects? Quieter basses won't trigger some effects, and louder basses will over-trigger others? That's doable, I guess. Just a pain since I routinely switch between a number of different basses depending on my mood.

But the distortions are another thing. I'm in a three piece, and having the OD be heard is pretty important.

Here's an example. I use both the fuzz and distortion in this tune. Starts at about 2:02.

https://soundcloud.com/nttn/never-leave-me-alone

cheapbasslovin · #**536** 02-04-2013, 08:39 AM

Are you giving me an example of how you use it and showing me how important it is or showing me how it disappears? I hope the former because I thought the bass stayed pretty present the whole time.

I did notice that the low end got sucked way out in places and you might try running an EQ in the chain somewhere to re-fat some lows, or maybe use the tube comp. Tube comp might as well just be a FAT button, IMO.

Mo'Phat · #**537** 02-04-2013, 08:44 AM

The first one. More of an example of how necessary it is that the fuzz can be heard. It's the only thing going on right there.

I run a rack compressor, so hopefully don't need to use the Tube Comp, but that's a good suggestion.

cheapbasslovin · #**538** 02-04-2013, 08:50 AM

The tube comp really adds to the low end, which is why I recommended it, but you should be able to find an EQ that works too if you're concerned about dynamics getting too crushed.

My name is Mudd · #**539** 02-04-2013, 10:42 AM

Mo'Phat - I'm not positive that this is a fix, but are you aware of the M-series mod from JHV3? It includes the addition of a for-real volume control, along with a bunch of other upgrades. I'm wondering if the volume control would help with your stage problem.

Mo'Phat · #**540** 02-04-2013, 11:22 AM

Thanks, but not really wanting to mod anything, as I doubt this is "MY" unique problem.

Do any other M users suffer loss of distortion volume/sound when playing live, or is it user error?