Metalcore Pedals

ALiP BoB · #1 09-08-2007, 01:55 AM

No, not that new boss pedal.

There are a few bass sounds in this genre that I'm really curious about.

This fuzzy bass tone in All that remains' This calling Chorus
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UcfLkrDXdn8
(00:39-00:43 in this vid)

A synth sound/pedal that would have gone well with Still Remains' The worse has yet to come chorus.
as well as that auto wah sound in the song's riff.
BTW, they do have a keyboardist, I just thought it would be cool if a synthy bass was to acompanny it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h_CoGRz0z90
(00:40-00:58 ["the autowah-ish riff"], 01:04-01:23 [the synth-y part])

A chorus pedal that would have done good in KsE's Rose of Sharyn's breakdown part and a good chorus pedal for the vocals there
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gQ8k37k8SeU
(02:24-02:40)

I'll ask if there are more other sounds I find nice.

I hesitated to start threads like this cause you people prolly won't take a gearless guy like me seriously, but I really want to know.

Please, no genre wars here.

Thanks!

ALiP BoB · #2 09-08-2007, 10:41 AM

bump.

bongomania · #3 09-08-2007, 12:23 PM

Your genre is going DOWN!!! Booo-yah!

In This Calling I definitely heard clean, uneffected bass during the chorus; I'm pretty sure the fuzzy sound was the guitarist. Maybe it was a two-channel bass recording with clean and effected signals, but even so the clean signal was up strong.

For some reason the other two vids aren't loading for me, so I can't watch 'em yet.

Swimming Bird · #4 09-08-2007, 12:43 PM

...you're asking for pedals that would sound good if they had been in these songs?

To start, the first song had no fuzz bass that I could hear. To me it was a very high gain guitar and a very active double kick drum that really muddied everything up; the bass sounds like it has no effects whatsoever, just EQ'd with the low end at max and everything else rolled off.

Second song: their keyboard parts were mainly synth strings, so again, not sure what you're talking about. As for an auto-wah or bass synth pedal I would use in that situation? Probably the EHX Bass Micro Synth, although a far cheaper pedal like the Digitech Bass Synth Wah would do fine as there are a lot of layers that would cover up most of its weaknesses. I think the bassist from Korn uses BSWs.

Third song: really any chorus effect would do. I would go the cheap route and just get the Dano FAB Chorus, but there are a lot of better ones out there.

This isn't a "genre war", but I'd never heard of metalcore referred to as an actual genre of music, and I'm from DC where hardcore was practically invented and most certainly had its glory days.

ROON · #5 09-08-2007, 01:03 PM

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Originally Posted by bongomania

Your genre is going DOWN!!! Booo-yah!

Metal FTW.

Metalcore FTL.

Tbirdbassist · #6 09-08-2007, 01:20 PM

Is it just me, or is anyone else not hearing the sounds the OP is suggesting. I'm hearing bass in general, but a tone thats cutting... I'm not hearing it.

bongomania · #7 09-08-2007, 01:39 PM

I think for the first clip he's asking us about the sound that's there, and for the other two he's asking about sounds that "might sound good there" in our imaginations.

Zeemno · #8 09-08-2007, 02:05 PM

The first one has a seriously crunchy bass tone. But it's best to hear in the first verse and breakdown at 2:00, if you can distinguish it from the guitars. All I can tell is that the bassist uses a Rickenbacker or Ric-a-like into a SVT. Enough to get that tone.

On the second one I hear no AutoWah. And that 'synthy' background melody is just two guitars playing the same thing, possibly in an interval, not unison. So a harmonizer would do it.

The third one has no obivious chorus on bass, so anything will do. I'd choose something like a CE-2B, because of it's mix knob. For vocals any studio multieffect will do.

Hope this helps, but I wouldn't bother with effects on bass in Metalcore, I'd be worried to be heard at all.

OT Rant: Metalcore sounds boring. It seems every song has to have: detuned guitars, distorted bass, a growling vocalist that will sing a clean "melancholic" chorus, unison guitar fillings, pseudo-technical riffing, a slow breakdown in the middle, possibly a depressed girl on the video etc.

Here is a polish Metalcore band (with polish lyrics):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_uovvQGYwYg

Hear any similarities? See any similarities?

Cheers,
John

Tbirdbassist · #9 09-08-2007, 07:38 PM

All That Remains bassist, like many bassist of that genre, uses an Ibanez SRX. No Ric going on there.

ALiP BoB · #10 09-08-2007, 11:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Swimming Bird

This isn't a "genre war", but I'd never heard of metalcore referred to as an actual genre of music, and I'm from DC where hardcore was practically invented and most certainly had its glory days.

Metalcore is just a term to describe it. These guys basically like playing fast and have screaming vocals. They are the new breed.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zeemno

OT Rant: Metalcore sounds boring. It seems every song has to have: detuned guitars, distorted bass, a growling vocalist that will sing a clean "melancholic" chorus, unison guitar fillings, pseudo-technical riffing, a slow breakdown in the middle, possibly a depressed girl on the video etc.

Well, I like that boring sound. In fact, I LOVE IT.

ALiP BoB · #11 09-08-2007, 11:49 PM

In the first vid (This Calling) would you suggest what fuzz or od WOULD sound good there?
Something subtle I guess…

The second vid (The worse has yet to come), what synth pedal would you suggest would sound good there with the keyboards, to give it some synthy bottom end
(there are already a few suggestions here, more please

)

The third vid (Rose of Sharyn), might you suggest good chorus pedals for the vocals?
The bass would sound good with chorus correct? I’ve searched up a lot of pedals from TB that are awesome for bass, or at least that’s what you experts say.

metalmariachi · #12 09-09-2007, 07:41 AM

First song, I’d suggest a Muff or good OD pedal to add the grit.

Second song, the Digitech Bass Synth should do the job.

Third song, pretty much any chorus that doesn’t loose the low end.

Hey I associate metal more with Baltimore and the MD suburbs than DC.

MM

ALiP BoB · #13 09-09-2007, 09:08 AM

Thanks.

Anybody knows good vocal effects/preamps/di?

Swimming Bird · #14 09-09-2007, 04:18 PM

You associate metal with the syphilis capitol of the country...

Hardcore punk is as DC as go-go.

OP: What sort of price range are you looking at for any of these effects?

IMO a synth pedal would sound terrible in that second song. A phase shifter would be far better.

For vocals there's a Digitech multiprocessor and a TC Electronic one, both I've seen. As with all Digitech multi effect units the presets sound terrible, but if you understand effects and EQing, you should be able to make some magic happen. For a much higher price tag the TC will make a half-decent singer sound like a million bucks.

ALiP BoB · #15 09-11-2007, 06:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Swimming Bird

IMO a synth pedal would sound terrible in that second song. A phase shifter would be far better.

For vocals there's a Digitech multiprocessor and a TC Electronic one, both I've seen. As with all Digitech multi effect units the presets sound terrible, but if you understand effects and EQing, you should be able to make some magic happen. For a much higher price tag the TC will make a half-decent singer sound like a million bucks.

What's a phase shifter? The same thing as a phaser?

And what's the model name for the TC vox effect?

ALiP BoB · #16 09-11-2007, 07:03 AM

For the first song, what OD or Fuzz would you guys suggest?

I find that ODs sounds thin and Fuzz sounds well, fuzzy. I just want that smooth grit you heard in that vid.

Swimming Bird · #17 09-11-2007, 01:53 PM

The gear you get (if you end up getting any) should depend entirely on your situation: your setup, your style, how your band works together. In the originals, they have the mix set the way they like it, and it sounds fine and I wouldn't have any idea how to change them given I know nothing about the bands or "genre."

Anyway, if you tell us what your band setup is, I think we can help a little better, but you're asking us to make creative decisions for you and I certainly don't feel comfortable doing that beyond general opinions. At some point you need to figure out what you think will sound good.

If you really want an effects education, I suggest either spending some quality time testing out every possible setting on every pedal you can find, a/b-ing them if possible. Otherwise just get a cheap multi-fx unit that you can tweak and I'm pretty sure I can help with that. If nothing else, keep searching the forum, because I think a lot of the more general questions you have will be answered.

For instance, a phase shifter and a phaser are indeed the same thing

JanusZarate · #18 09-11-2007, 02:51 PM

OD sounds "thin" to you? It all depends on which overdrive pedal you're looking at.

There's too many flavors of overdrive out there to generalize...

BassJunkie730 · #19 09-11-2007, 03:48 PM

Seriously

choose a modulation effect for cleans

and get a RAT for OD

and get a buffered Blend pedal

The rest is solved by a 5 string and a deep and powerful amp.

ALiP BoB · #20 09-12-2007, 08:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MysticBoo

OD sounds "thin" to you? It all depends on which overdrive pedal you're looking at.

There's too many flavors of overdrive out there to generalize...

Quote:

Originally Posted by from my G.A.S list

GK Diesel Dawg or Tech 21 XXL Bass Editon*
Xotic BB Preamp or Visual Sound Jekyll & Hyde or Barber LTD or Homebrew Electronics Hematoma or Voodoo Lab Sparkle Drive*
EHX Little Big Muff*

But seriously, the buffered blend pedal makes sense, but do I really need it with the OD to get that sound?
And I don't like rats