moog pedals

whoatherechunk · #1 04-27-2008, 12:42 AM

why do they have such a good resale value? sorry if the question sounds a bit bland but i've just been wondering why moog pedals in particular have such a great resale value.

JanusZarate · #2 04-27-2008, 01:06 AM

While it technically hasn't been asked before... it isn't a difficult question.

They're expensive if purchased new. Their parameters are extremely tweakable and flexible using anything from CV controllers to expression pedals to outputs of other pedals. Compared to other effects brands, Moogerfooger is relatively uncommon. Moog has a legacy of amazing analog synthesizer keyboards. And IIRC, all of their pedals are analog.

If you know a little bit about Moog, it's self-explanatory.

But are they worth buying in the first place? That's the real tough question. With pedals this weird and pricey, you won't see too many Moog products on anyone's pedalboard.

KarateKid25 · #3 04-27-2008, 04:08 AM

I agree...

They are a classic brand and quite unique. Its a bit of a niche market really.

syciprider · #4 04-27-2008, 04:38 AM

They are not really pedals as visualized by their designer either. That Dream Theater guy uses them side by side with his keyboard for example. That is one of the reasons why the Mooger's switch isn't true bypass. It has to be fast enough to be actuated by hand or foot.

oli@bass · #5 04-27-2008, 05:04 AM

Um. Not true bypass? That has me worried now. I just received a MF-101 to replace my XO Q-Tron+. Haven't had a proper powersupply, so I have not been able to try it yet. Is it problematic to leave the MF-101 in the signal chain when not using it?

bongomania · #6 04-27-2008, 05:51 AM

Definitely NOT true bypass. Yes, it is problematic for many people.

Chris V. · #7 04-27-2008, 07:47 AM

Just use an effects loop pedal. The Keeley is really slim and small. Maybe that'd be something for you...?

http://www.robertkeeley.com/product.php?id=23

rustynuts · #8 04-27-2008, 08:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Chris V.

Just use an effects loop pedal. The Keeley is really slim and small. Maybe that'd be something for you...?

http://www.robertkeeley.com/product.php?id=23

+1. I love my little Keeleys....

tomvelsor · #9 04-27-2008, 09:35 AM

yeah moogerfoogers are absolutely not true bypass. recently a friend was telling me "how usefull" his moogerfooger ring mod. was, and he let me test it out..after playing with it, i had to wonder, where does one aqure such a drug that can make one so dilusional..

he got that one used for a little over $200..

has anyone else tried any moog pedals? the murf looks unique but useless..

prsbass · #10 04-27-2008, 09:43 AM

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Originally Posted by tomvelsor

yeah moogerfoogers are absolutely not true bypass. recently a friend was telling me "how usefull" his moogerfooger ring mod. was, and he let me test it out..after playing with it, i had to wonder, where does one aqure such a drug that can make one so dilusional..

he got that one used for a little over $200..

has anyone else tried any moog pedals? the murf looks unique but useless..

I think that's a matter of opinion and music style/preferences. I've had a few Moog pedals and found them all to be very fun and useful. As far as the bypass deal goes I didn't have a loop when I owned the bass murf and there was no problems at all.

asherthemachine · #11 04-27-2008, 01:23 PM

i agree. they are noisy as hell, and tempermental and crazy, but who really buys a moog pedal for anything else. i have the ring mod w/expression pedal, and i dont think its ever leaving my board. tbp looper is the way to go and then your set. they have a high resale value because thats what they are worth. plain and simple

asherthemachine · #12 04-27-2008, 01:24 PM

and whats the difference with the CV controller as compared to an expression pedal. ive seen them around, but cant quite grasp what exactly they do...

tomvelsor · #13 04-27-2008, 03:07 PM

isint there a moogerfooger autowah? im curious how that is..

RCCollins · #14 04-27-2008, 05:04 PM

Lack of true bypass sucks, but has nobody here heard of a bypass looper? I've seen your pedalboards, folks. For the price of one effect you can kiss your worries about true bypass goodbye, at least for the most part...

JanusZarate · #15 04-27-2008, 05:17 PM

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Originally Posted by RCCollins

Lack of true bypass sucks, but has nobody here heard of a bypass looper? I've seen your pedalboards, folks. For the price of one effect you can kiss your worries about true bypass goodbye, at least for the most part...

Already been mentioned.

But to play Devil's Advocate here... true bypass loopers present their own issues. Such a looper requires extra wiring, takes up space on your board, and is prone to audible "pops" when stomping on the switching.

It's partly why there's a preference for effects that already have naturally good bypass systems, true-bypass or not. It's always a hassle to add on a gizmo, even if it's a problem-solver.

tomvelsor · #16 04-27-2008, 06:21 PM

ive been looking into the moogerfooger low pass filter..it looks like a killer auto wah + it can do the freakish ocilation stuff that we all know and love from moog..

anyone have experience with it?

and as for the true bypass debate here..some of the loop switches arent a hassle at all. im going to end up with all my pedals on a board with a "true bypass strip" along the bottom. one switch for each pedal that isint already true bypass + one master on/off. ive tested them and they dont give you that pop noise. or any trouble at all.

dubsymmetry · #17 04-28-2008, 02:31 AM

I always thought the "not-true-bypass" is one of the nicest features on my mf-102, it´s a nice preamp!
but to each his own.

kevteop · #18 04-28-2008, 08:07 AM

I think the low pass filter and the freqbox both look genuinely useful, and also capable of nutsy noises. The only reason I don't have them is the hugely enormous size of the damn things. Oh and the price...

bigchiefbc · #19 04-28-2008, 08:16 AM

Now that I have a Freqbox, I can say that it is very useful for pure synth tones, and can totally do that freak-out-madness stuff too. I plan on eventually adding a murf and a lpf at some point. I also have no problems with the bypass at all (as opposed to the BMS, whose bypass is terrible)

HenfieldJ · #20 04-28-2008, 08:54 AM

FWIW, take these offerings from a certified "Moog-aholic"

I have the MF-101 (filter), MF-102 (ring mod), and MF-105B (Bass MURF).

I would say that you would almost never insert the name of a Moog pedal when someone asks "What do I need to sound like so and so?", and I would not think that a Moog pedal would be in the top 20 choices of pedals to use on a gig with your cover band.

I found that the sounds are very unique, and mostly used in the realm of original songs/recordings. Not to say that they could be used if you want a completely new sound to "freshen up" an old masterpiece, as I do use the Bass MURF whenever my singer wants to do a cover of Bob Dylan's "All Along the Watchtower". I originally put in there because I really don't enjoy Bob Dylan, but my singer actually likes what the Bass Murf can do for a rather boring song (I much prefer Hendrix's cover of the song).

I think that they have good resale due to the fact that they are not heavily discounted by any of the retail outlets, not even from Musician's Friend. Most people that buy one want to buy expression pedals or another Moog pedal, as they are unique in the amount of footpedal control and how they can be patched together. I can used the LFO out from the Ring Mod to cycle the cutoff Frequency on the filter, the Envelope out from the filter to vary the envelope on the Bass Murf, etc.... They also have various uses, from Keyboards, guitars, bass, drum machines, vocals, final mixes, etc... So there are many people looking for these devices.

Some down sides are the cost and the size. Some people view the fact that they are not true bypass as an issue, you can use a looper if you feel that way. They are built like a tank and have been very dependable for me ( I have had the Bass Murf for almost 2 years without any issues).