More bass needed with FF

[Hutzbordello]

my Boss odb-3 has a ton of bass in it, but the Fuzz Factory doesnt really.

it doesnt take away from the bass as so much it doesnt add what the boss does.

granted the boss is made for basses specifically, and the Fuzz is not just for guitars, but probably mores o fits them better.

anyone know of a pedal that could add some extra bass to my mix?

[colicab]

there is no pedal that will give you more lows than this:

so much low end that it will hurt your ankles.

[Swimming Bird]

I wouldn't try to add missing frequencies back in if you want to keep the FF. If you really like what the Boss is doing bass-wise, but otherwise like the FF, you could get a Boss LS-2 and use A+B mix mode to turn them both on in parallel at the same time.

[Sound Chaser]

Blackout Effectors Musket Fuzz. Powerful, full low end.

[colicab]

Originally Posted by Swimming Bird

I wouldn't try to add missing frequencies back in if you want to keep the FF. If you really like what the Boss is doing bass-wise, but otherwise like the FF, you could get a Boss LS-2 and use A+B mix mode to turn them both on in parallel at the same time.

Why is adding some extra bass to his mix with the DOD something he shouldn't try?

[TheMutt]

I've owned two Meat Boxes in the past, and have a third one waiting for me when I get home.

It's a great pedal, but wouldn't be adding back the low end like Hutzbordello wants. It's more of a sub-harmonic distortion type of tone. It would be gain overload when coupled with the sonic annihilation that the Fuzz Factory can unleash when not squealing all on its own and would work best when it was before the Fuzz Factory (it doesn't like really hot signals), which would defeat the point of having it on (the filtering caps would cut out all of the low end the Meat Box was adding to the signal).

The thing that makes the Meat Box useable in the mix is the blend control. It mixes back in some of the original bass signal back in.

As such, I'd suggest using a blend loop pedal. The BOSS LS-2 as suggested above, the Xotic X-Blender, Wounded Paw Blender, or the [discontinued (on hiatus), but still available used] Barge Concepts series of blenders (VFB-2, VB Jr, VB-X, etc) are all great choices. These pedals will all add bass signal back into any effect that is ordinarily not bass-friendly. Just make sure that any blend loop pedal that you purchase has an invert switch on it as some effects have an inverted output which would make the blend pedal cut the signal instead of adding back in some clean signal. (without getting too technical, an inverted signal with the original signal added back in would cancel each other out, so check to see whether or not the pedals you want to use in a blend loop are inverted output or not)

[Hutzbordello]

mutt can you show me a video for an example?

im a skeptic of things i dont know and am uncertain of


also ive seen some xblender and boss ls-2 videos but the xblender seems to do what i want more.....hm but the price of the boss gets me. i really dont know.

anyone got more feedback on the pedals?

also would an eq pedal do the same thing?

[TheMutt]

Video example of what?
A blender pedal in action, the effect on volume output of an inverted-output pedal in a blender pedal's loop, or the Meat Box?

Blender pedals there are many places to find what they sound like on youtube.
I will say that they essentially sound like whatever effect you have stuck in the loop, plus clean bass sound at the same time. It's essentially like having an effects rig and a clean rig playing in unison, without the cost/weight/setup time involved in two separate bass amps and signal chains routed from your bass.

I don't have a video to show for the effect of inverted output inside a blend pedal, as I no longer own a blend pedal and don't plan to purchase another one any time soon. I've moved away from using guitar effects on bass, and in the process have significantly reduced the size and weight of my pedalboard and amp/cabs so that load-in and load-out is much easier and faster.

I actually have some old clips and a mini review I did of one the Meat Boxes that I owned, which got buried down in the effects log (but would have shown up on any search on here for it). There wasn't much notice paid to the thread, which is probably why it's not very well known.
Link here.

[Hutzbordello]

i was assuming one of the pedals or something, just a shot in the dark.

i figured i may buy a super blender from wounded paw or an X Blender, but i dont know how well the LS-2 works and it being the cheapest my best bet.

I just need some more info to get me over the threshold of clicking that order button.

i dont want to buy a pedal and find out it doesnt do what i want.

[Explorer]

I can understand not moving on a purchase until you feel completely sure.

I normally do a huge amount of reading and research on any given piece, watching videos, reading every review available on TalkBass, The Gear Page and Harmony Central, as well as anything else which Google presents to me.

Incidentally, once you find that specific information you're looking for, or manage to put it together from disparate sources, remember to update this topic, so those who come after us will have the benefit of your experience....

[sunbeast]

What the other two blenders have that the Boss doesn't is an EQ- so you can actually add in lows to your blended signal instead of just relying on the existing lows of your clean signal (which sometimes isn't really enough in my experience, depending on how much bass you are lacking). Considering that the Boss overdrive gets it's hefty tone through the use of a boostable EQ, I would say that a Blender with an EQ would be the best bet for you...

[TheMutt]

Essentially it's a trade-off either way.

Either you get a dedicated blender with true-bypass (which may or may not be important to you) with EQ options and a phase inversion switch, but at a higher price (although they are cheaper if you purchase used); or you get a pedal that can do bypass loop functions, A/B, and blend, but without true-bypass (which, again may or may not be important to you) and no EQ controls or phase inversion switch (which you may or may not need, as I never tried a Fuzz Factory with my bass, let alone with a blend pedal. Although, I have owed a Fuzz Factory in the past for use with guitar and it was a squealing squawking nightmare to use live IMHO, which is why I no longer own one.).

[Hutzbordello]

i think the wounded paw Blender or Super Blender would fit my needs then, plus the super blender has a feedback control would could work wonders with my fuzz factory

[sunbeast]

That super blender does look pretty amazing, but appears to be about half the size of my current pedalboard! I wonder if you might be able to get them to do a custom normal-sized blender with a feedback option on it...

[Hutzbordello]

o good thinking!

yea he said he can make a blender with feedback, thanks man