Muff fuzz without lowend loss?

[megadan]

Any suggestions for a Muff style pedal without low end loss and/or tone loss (to the extent that that is possible with fuzz pedals, I'm aware of the limitations)

Preferably under $150.

[Swimming Bird]

Get a clean blend and problem's solved. I think a LBM and a clean blend should run around $150.

[kaputsport]

I use a LBM and I have no low end loss...

Sustain is all the way down, tone is in the middle, and volume is where it needs to be.

[Max Roberts]

This one looks great: Supercollider!

[bassman1185]

I use a Russian Big Muff Pi, and it doesn't loose ANY low end. If anything, I think it boosts the lows a bit. It cost me about 50 bucks.

[Chronicle]

Or a Tonebender/TBclone. Basically a Big muff with low end and more tamed :]

[5stringwonder]

Sanford & Sonny Bluebeard Fuzz....goes for about $150

[rfclef]

Originally Posted by bassman1185

I use a Russian Big Muff Pi, and it doesn't loose ANY low end. If anything, I think it boosts the lows a bit. It cost me about 50 bucks.

I got one used for $40, and no matter how I adjust the knobs, I lose the bottom. PLaying with the band last night, when I kicked it in, I was gone. I am very bummed... So now I am considering selling or trading it to get something else... I do not need the effect all the time, but I do want it sometimes, but do not want to lose all the bottom end. I am hoping I can find one to fit the bill... I know a lot of people suggest a blend pedal, but the less I gotta fool with the better... If I can find one pedal to take the place of the Big Muff, I'll be happy...

[JanusZarate]

Originally Posted by rfclef

I got one used for $40, and no matter how I adjust the knobs, I lose the bottom. PLaying with the band last night, when I kicked it in, I was gone. I am very bummed... So now I am considering selling or trading it to get something else... I do not need the effect all the time, but I do want it sometimes, but do not want to lose all the bottom end. I am hoping I can find one to fit the bill... I know a lot of people suggest a blend pedal, but the less I gotta fool with the better... If I can find one pedal to take the place of the Big Muff, I'll be happy...

You sure it's not MIDS that you're losing?

The Big Muff is known to scoop mids a bit, and that's the main problem with making it stand out in a thick mix.

Low end loss was never a problem for me with the LBM (unless the tone was cranked up high)... but mids were a different story.

Fuzz pedals in general can't just be tossed in anywhere - you have to be mindful of when to use them.

[Hookus]

Originally Posted by MysticBoo

The Big Muff is known to scoop mids a bit, and that's the main problem with making it stand out in a thick mix.

If you look at the EQ curve of the BM tone circuit, (mapped on Tonestack Calculator), you get -7db at 1K in the center, All the way left, you get a roll off starting at about 300 Hz, with -3db at about 500 Hz, and all the way right, you get about a 17db drop from 300Hz down, and it slopes back to full volume at 4KHz. The tone circuit really is an adjustable mid-scoop, I guess. It is just the way the tone filter on the BM was designed, to get better mids would require a redesign of the circuit.

Here is a screenshot of the tone control.

[rfclef]

Originally Posted by MysticBoo

You sure it's not MIDS that you're losing?

The Big Muff is known to scoop mids a bit, and that's the main problem with making it stand out in a thick mix.

Low end loss was never a problem for me with the LBM (unless the tone was cranked up high)... but mids were a different story.

Fuzz pedals in general can't just be tossed in anywhere - you have to be mindful of when to use them.

Idunno man... maybe I just do not know what I am talking about, but all the big fat lowness is gone... at least to my ears... maybe the lows are still there but too low for my ears... but all the big fat presence is missing... This is my forst Muff, and I am new to pedals and stuff... so idunno...

[Hookus]

Big and fat is usually low-mids. Look at the graph I posted, seems to me you would get the best bass tone with the tone knob at about 10 o' clock. That will move the mid dip up a little, cut some treble, and boost a little bass. Any way you cut it though, you will still have a mid freq dip somewhere.

[bassman1185]

Yeah, I would agree with this. I set my tone around 10:30-11:00, and I get a nice thick doomy sound.

[RapierSix]

March madness at Guitar Center.... Just bought a lil Big Muff for 66 bucks (10% off?) and also Dimarzio Model J's (10% off)

[benmoore88]

i got mario at robotfactory to modify my big muff with a clean blend. it kicks ass....

[vegas532]

I don't know if this was ever mentioned, but wren and cuff does a Pickle Pie B as a special order that is voiced for bass and has a clean blend built into it.