Musket reverse thing?

[Ayliffe]

So i've read around here that the musket can't be used in blenders because of some reverse thing....

Now i have a question, as i have yet to test it and i dont want to **** anything up on my board.

If i was to run this setup:




Would i be able to blend my clean and my dirt tones from the Musket and BBM using an LS-2 (titled ls on the ****** drawing)

I would have it set on A+B Mix, with nothing in the b circuit, thus giving me my clean tone to mix with a distorted one. Would this work? or will the musket's reverse thing cause it to fail.

Thanks.

[Taylor Livingston]

If the Musket does invert the input, as people are saying, then you'll need a blender with a phase reversal switch to blend it with your clean signal without cancellation. Or, the Musket could easily be modded with an inverting buffer at the end to flip the phase back internally. The guys at Blackout seem to be pretty nice and accommodating, so I bet if users started telling them about this issue they'd help you out with it.

[Ayliffe]

I understand that, but wouldn't the setup i have now, be the same as running it with other pedals without a blender... therefore allowing it to work? I'm essentially just running two signal paths for a period of time aren't i?

edit; i've emailed kyle from BOE about it as well.

[bigchiefbc]

I'm not sure what is different about the setup you have listed there from any other setup with a blender. Maybe I'm missing something.

The problem is that you are still blending a clean signal with a signal from the Musket. The Musket inverts the phase of the signal. That means the blended signal will have phase cancellation.

[Robertron]

Yes, you're running two signal paths but they will interfere with each other and cause a dramatic volume drop or no sound at all.

Let us know what, if anything, Kyle tells you in the email.

[Ayliffe]

Alright well i'll assume it wont work then, does anyone have any ideas as to how i could accomplish blending the two signals some other way, with what i have right now?


What if i took the LS-2 out, put the BBm before the Musket, and ran the dry out to the DD20's second stereo input, then ran the normal signal path through all the pedals.

If i did that would i be able to get both tones out of the mono out on the DD20?


I don't have my pedals at my disposal right now or else i'd just try it.

[RCCollins]

nope, you need to use a blender with a phase inverter (like the xotic x-blender)

[Ayliffe]

Are there any solutions that don't require me to fork out 200 bucks on a blender?

[Taylor Livingston]

Any of the modders online could do a mod to the Musket to flip the phase. It's a very simple mod and wouldn't cost much at all. Here's one in Canada:

http://www.solidgoldfx.com/main.php

[bongomania]

The only other solutions I can think of are equally expensive. And just in case it wasn't quite clear yet, the LS-2 is a blender. It is not different from a blender. And any situation where you mix two signal together in parallel, using whatever gear--that's a blender too.

[Ayliffe]

Originally Posted by Taylor Livingston

Any of the modders online could do a mod to the Musket to flip the phase. It's a very simple mod and wouldn't cost much at all.

I'm unfamiliar with any of them, could you provide a link?

Originally Posted by bongomania

The only other solutions I can think of are equally expensive. And just in case it wasn't quite clear yet, the LS-2 is a blender. It is not different from a blender.

Ya i've figured that out, i just didnt know how this inverted signal stuff works, which is why i asked.

[Taylor Livingston]

See my edit above.

Or you could get it made in a separate little box so you wouldn't be altering the Musket.

[dannybuoy]

The way I see it you have these options:

- By a Barge VB-Jr with the phase switch addition, Xotic X-Blender or Wounded Paw Super Blender

- Get the Musket modded

- Find another cheap transparent boost pedal that inverts the phase and put that in the loop also. My guitarist friend was telling me the other day that his signal drops out when using his EHX LPB-1 boost pedal in his amp's parallel fx loop so that could be a contender (less than $40 inc shipping)

[Ayliffe]

Thanks.

[Ayliffe]

Originally Posted by dannybuoy

- Find another cheap transparent boost pedal that inverts the phase and put that in the loop also. My guitarist friend was telling me the other day that his signal drops out when using his EHX LPB-1 boost pedal in his amp's parallel fx loop so that could be a contender (less than $40 inc shipping)

Does anyone know anything about this? Cause this could be the ticket; i could use the boost to boost the signal before hte big muff to get a bigger fuzz tone as well.

[UncleFluffy]

You could build your own.

It's not fancy, but should be an easy DIY build on a scrap of perfboard/stripboard for under $5.



U1 is any generic rail-to-rail capable opamp. (Try 1/2 of a TLC2272).

[Ayliffe]

Originally Posted by UncleFluffy

You could build your own.

It's not fancy, but should be an easy DIY build on a scrap of perfboard/stripboard for under $5.



U1 is any generic rail-to-rail capable opamp. (Try 1/2 of a TLC2272).

Not gonna lie.... i have no idea what the **** any of that means... other than the resistors.

[Deluge Of Sound]

Personally, I've always found that using a blender made my sound into an indistinguishable liquid...

[bigchiefbc]

Originally Posted by Deluge Of Sound

Personally, I've always found that using a blender made my sound into an indistinguishable liquid...

[dannybuoy]

Originally Posted by Ayliffe

Does anyone know anything about this? Cause this could be the ticket; i could use the boost to boost the signal before hte big muff to get a bigger fuzz tone as well.

You would only be able to have it on at the same time as the Musket, otherwise you'd be back to square one. Also, try Musket -> BBM on dry mode with the gain and tone cranked - it just layers a bit more top end fuzz on top of the Musket sound and sounds rather good.