my board your suggestions. help! (long post)

varunkapahi · #1 11-16-2008, 07:18 AM

i have 5 pedals on my board now:
fender pt100 pedal tuner
tech21 vt bass preamp
boss GEB-7 EQ
polish love od/distortion
behringer limiter

out of all of these its is only the od pedal which is like a real "effect" pedal, vt bass and the boss eq are tone shaping pedals and the limiter just cuts out the peaks while slapping. but now i want more effects

so anyway i think the limiter is going off the board. now lets talk about effects, please tell me about wahs. do envelop filters, auto wahs and wahs really sound different to ears? asking because i had totally planned to get the digitech BSW but got a chance to play with a cry baby wah and i loved it so much that seriously re-thinking.
i understand a cry baby would give me more control over the wah but does one get bored fast with rocking the pedal up and down and then find no more use for it?? and is envelop filter the way to go for some funky craziness?

question2, phasers! can one really use the phaser in a band setting much? is the phasing even heard in the dense mix on the low frequencies?

i am a big tone freako so i'd be keeping both boss eq and vt bass as a preamp because i go direct every gig.
and yes btw, i really dont want to buy any more subtle effects; only in your face real bada** effects.

varunkapahi · #2 11-16-2008, 07:23 AM

please keep in mind i cant TRY pedals. we get nothing in India no pedals at all nada! so i get stuff from US when i can.

rratajski · #3 11-16-2008, 08:05 AM

Yes, envelope filter, wahs, and auto wahs all sound different.

A Digitech BSW has a different stock settings, so IMO, you can get more bang for your buck by getting it. You would still benefit from using a wah that lets you control your signal by foot. Only you would know if you're going to get bored rocking the wah back and forth...

Envelope filters are funky, yes. You can use them in lots of settings though...not just funk. A lot of use our EHX Bass Micro Synths because they allow us to use multiple options with one pedal (attack delay, enveloping, fuzz, octaves). Since it's not exactly easy to get effects quickly and be able to turn them around in India, you might want to spend a little more $ for a pedal with more than one use (Digitech BSW, EHX BMS).

If you EQ well and have a quality phaser, you can use it in a band setting. Search some of the phaser threads on here...

So, here's a start. The TB'ers will chime in today for ya!

varunkapahi · #4 11-16-2008, 08:55 AM

thanks, could some one tell me if the mode1 one digitech BSW is an envelop filter or an auto wah??

Snakeman1066 · #5 11-16-2008, 08:56 AM

what kind of music are you playing?

IMHO every board should also include a chorus pedal as well

Happynoj · #6 11-16-2008, 08:58 AM

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Originally Posted by rratajski

Yes, envelope filter, wahs, and auto wahs all sound different.

A Digitech BSW has a different stock settings, so IMO, you can get more bang for your buck by getting it. You would still benefit from using a wah that lets you control your signal by foot. Only you would know if you're going to get bored rocking the wah back and forth...

Envelope filters are funky, yes. You can use them in lots of settings though...not just funk. A lot of use our EHX Bass Micro Synths because they allow us to use multiple options with one pedal (attack delay, enveloping, fuzz, octaves). Since it's not exactly easy to get effects quickly and be able to turn them around in India, you might want to spend a little more $ for a pedal with more than one use (Digitech BSW, EHX BMS).

If you EQ well and have a quality phaser, you can use it in a band setting. Search some of the phaser threads on here...

So, here's a start. The TB'ers will chime in today for ya!

This ^

A phaser is definitely usable in a band setting - the question is, would you have a use for one?

A rocker wah and an envelope filter are also both very usable, but in different ways. Remember that a rocker wah can sweep across lines/riffs etc, while an envelope filter will trigger on every note. You can make a rocker wah sound similar to an envelope filter, if you sweep it with every note, but it will get tiring/boring, and it still won't sound exactly the same. Again, it depends what use you have for one.

rratajski · #7 11-16-2008, 09:18 AM

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Originally Posted by varunkapahi

thanks, could some one tell me if the mode1 one digitech BSW is an envelop filter or an auto wah??

I Googled "Digitech Bass Synth Wah"...Here's the entire manual: ftp://ftp.digitech.com/pub/PDFs/Manu...WahManualV.pdf

varunkapahi · #8 11-16-2008, 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Snakeman1066

what kind of music are you playing?

i play in a rock band with a slightly modern sound sound currently. i dig sabbath and i play a lot of slap bass too so i dont really know how to answer the question but i hope you get the drift.

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Originally Posted by Snakeman1066

IMHO every board should also include a chorus pedal as well

chorus pedal, hmmmmmm i have seen them on a lot of boards here but never have tried one. i will look into it

KsToaDangr · #9 11-16-2008, 11:17 AM

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Originally Posted by varunkapahi

chorus pedal, hmmmmmm i have seen them on a lot of boards here but never have tried one. i will look into it

Most of the people I know use chorus a lot more than phasing, so I'd check that out before a phaser. I understand about you being in India and it being hard to try out pedals. Have you checked out the WIKI on here for some sound clips? It's helped me out a lot in finding what types of effects I wanted to add to my collection.

varunkapahi · #10 11-16-2008, 11:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Snakeman1066

what kind of music are you playing?

IMHO every board should also include a chorus pedal as well

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Originally Posted by KsToaDangr

Most of the people I know use chorus a lot more than phasing, so I'd check that out before a phaser. I understand about you being in India and it being hard to try out pedals. Have you checked out the WIKI on here for some sound clips? It's helped me out a lot in finding what types of effects I wanted to add to my collection.

these days am visiting the FX databass wiki page more often than the tb forums

chorus sounds good solo in the clips but i really feel its a subtle effect. right now the next pedals am sure on getting are digitech bsw and boss bf-2/3. phaser and the crybaby are next in the line maybe a chorus can replace something

which chorus do you recommend?

Snakeman1066 · #11 11-16-2008, 11:58 AM

Yes this one...

chorus can be subtle but it can also be very in your face depends on how you use it....

if your on a budget or need a decent chorus on the cheap i would suggest this one...

i picked one up used....and on 16 voice with all the knobs cranked it is very in your face as you put it...lol

I think that you will find the chorus to be much more usable in a live setting that either a Phaser or a flanger..

varunkapahi · #12 11-16-2008, 12:02 PM

lol! analogman is way to expensive for me i think, the digitech i would find out about. do you have any clips? i couldnt find any on the wiki

Snakeman1066 · #13 11-16-2008, 12:20 PM

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Originally Posted by varunkapahi

lol! analogman is way to expensive for me i think, the digitech i would find out about. do you have any clips? i couldnt find any on the wiki

yes the analogman is expensive...but it is analog....the difference between that and digital is like night and day IMHO

as far as clips try the musiciansfriend website i'm fairly sure they have a few clips on there with bass

Deluge Of Sound · #14 11-16-2008, 12:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Snakeman1066

IMHO every board should also include a chorus pedal as well

Note to self: Snakeman is the Ghost Of Christmas 1987.

varunkapahi · #15 11-16-2008, 12:26 PM

the only digital pedal i have i liked so far is the digitech BSW...... anyway thanks Snakeman

varunkapahi · #16 11-17-2008, 03:19 AM

i tried out a chorus pedal today. boss ch-1 maybe this is not the right chorus for bass or maybe i dont really know what to expect but i could in no way think about buying it. hmmmm ok so no chorus for me at least.

varunkapahi · #17 11-18-2008, 05:24 AM

is having a vt bass as a preamp and then a boss EQ redundancy? the aim being having two eq settings, a mids scoop for slat bass and the opposite for finger style to cut through. but i need to make space for "effects" now. what do you think?
and yes, i go through a DI to the board and the stage amp is one big monitor

varunkapahi · #18 11-18-2008, 10:57 AM

please some one reply to that post^^
and here is yet another question, i'd soon be running 6 or 7 pedals in one signal chain. would it be causing signal degradation? all of them have decent bypass systems but none with TBP i think.

Darkstrike · #19 11-18-2008, 11:17 AM

They aren't redundant, if they're doing something completly different.

But, maybe, you could set up your sound for one way without either pedal, then use one to swap your tone. Say fingerstyle with no pedal, and slap with the pedal on.

Thunderscreech · #20 11-18-2008, 11:47 AM

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Originally Posted by varunkapahi

please some one reply to that post^^
and here is yet another question, i'd soon be running 6 or 7 pedals in one signal chain. would it be causing signal degradation? all of them have decent bypass systems but none with TBP i think.

With buffers, you shouldn't have too much signal degradation, at least I didn't when I had a 13-pedal guitar rig, and I had mixed buffer and TBP.