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Originally Posted by kevteop  Why Micro POG into HOG? Doesn't the HOG do whatever the Micro POG can do and more?
Also, I've never really got much out of feeding the BMS into a fuzz pedal - it just flattens the filter. Actually I rarely put anything on with the BMS. Maybe a bit of chorus or phaser, or an envelope-following filter (can be nice in conjunction with the triggered filter on the BMS, esp. if you've got them going in opposite directions and the BMS only triggering very deliberately). |
Micro POG -> HOG is for that 2.5 octave sound. I think that the HOG won't be full enough at the 2-3 octave range for me, so i'm bumping up the 1-1.5-2 sliders with the MicroPOG. If the HOG does fine, i'll sell the POG.
BMS is on my bass chain, so it has to feed into the fuzzes, overdrives, and filters. Doesn't mean i'll have them on at the same time. I just expect to run it off my bass sound rather than the octaved sound.
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Originally Posted by TOOL460002 if this is your dream- and youre doing some big custom job- go for it- but if you want my opinion it looks like an overly expensive mess.
get rid of a couple of those signal blenders. ive heard moog's can be noisy- so maybe keep the nova dynamics and leave the moog and whatever else you want in its own loop. i also dont know why you have the ehx bbm off the grinder. waste of 2 cables.
if you cut the blenders- you save cash on cables- and you lose enough bulk to where you might be able to fit it on a pair of pedaltrain pros- ie- more cash saved.
i will also second the micro pog/hog redundancy. sell the pog and get the hog with a foot switch. the pog would give you one other preset- while youd get 6 with the foot switch.
basically- trim it down- you have several hundred dollars worth of unnecessary stuff there. if you can keep it to one signal chain- do it. |
BBM in the grinder loop is for the fuzz->filter sound. If it doesn't work, i'll just use it in the dirt loop instead, and save on buying one.
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Originally Posted by RickenBoogie I'll add, if you do trim it back and configure it to a single chain, any stereo effects you have can be routed out to 2 seperate amps for spacial dreaminess. |
Thanks for the thought, but my soundguy doesn't like stereo outs. More to the point, the whole PA is wired in mono, and i run DI, so there's no chance of that happening.
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Originally Posted by chicago_mike Stereo effects and modulators I would put into amp effects loops. also add me to keeping it simple. Get an x-blender. Reverbs and delays I would also put into amp effects loops. |
Again, i run DI, so there are no amp effects loops.
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Originally Posted by Ron Now Just be warning that the stereo out on the Murf only functions in stereo when the unit is on...like as in Murfing. Kind of ruined my plan to use to amps at one point...I got over it though. |
Thanks for the heads up. I'll relook into the layout.
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Originally Posted by TheBigO Are you playing without a guitar player? Like a bass & drum duo or something along those lines?
That was my first thought when I saw the wet and dry signals from the POG being split. If so, I can see the reasoning a bit. If not, then I don't see how you could generate such a wall of sound in a normal band context.
Really I need to know what you are trying to do to offer any constructive criticism. I will say that I don't see much need for the EHX BBM and Muff'n to be in a second VFB-2. Both are fine in terms of lowend and bypass and I don't see them being particularly useful in the feedback loop.
Just my quick observation. |
Correct. I play in a church with few musicians doing many services, so i sometimes find myself caught out with no keyboardist, no electric guit, or/and no rhythm guitarists. This board is mainly to reduce the apparent effect of that lack. I won't bring it out if there's a full band, or i'll only bring and use the bass (blue) chain.
I'm already running my English Muffin in a blend loop now, and i like the sound of that a little more than running it straight through. And the BBM might not be a BBM after all, any fuzz could take that spot.
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Originally Posted by Swimming Bird I know that there are sounds you want that you can only get with certain combos of pedals, but you have to resist and go for a simpler, more effective board for the sake of your own sanity. Read: ditch subtlety and redundancy where you can. The difference between two fuzzes with the option of having the two together is pretty minimal in reality. Same goes for modulations, dirt pedals, blenders/feedbackers, etc.
Also, I would worry about relying too much on any one brand. This sounds much like a pure GAS list in many ways, perhaps a playlist of your favorite clips online? |
Perhaps i'm relying too much on Barge, but their service and the quality of the product they put out has impressed me so much i want to try all their products, so most of them make an appearance on this board.
I also am "kind of" dead set into this 4 gain pedals idea. 1 fuzz each for bass and guitar chains, and then 1 overdrive each for bass and guitar. I'll probably get pedals that are very far apart in sound from each other. I might also replace the overdrives with amp-sims, since i run DI.
Thanks all for the well-thought input, anyway. I'll try and reconsider stuff which might be excessive.
