Need a verb

TaySte_2000 · #1 10-20-2008, 03:00 AM

No I want some opinions and advice but you have to take the following criteria into account.

I'm after a stereo in and out reverb, I NEED stereo because I'll be using it as dual mono across 2 fx chains.

That is pretty much my only criteria

other than it has to sound great and be capable of everything from subtle to grand canyon.

Now my main contenders to me are:
TC Electronic Nova Reverb
Digitech Hardwire RV-7
Line 6 Verbzilla

Now each have issues the main one being I've not heard either, now I lan on adding a flipper to my board so I can switch the verb to be pre and post looper and if I'm doing this then some of the more fun noise verbs such as gate and reverse might be useful. The other issues include the Line 6 pedals are hit and miss with noise, the Nova doesn't have any wierd verbs but is apparently the most accurate and real sounding whether or not this is just code for boring I don't know.

So advice opinions etc.

Thanks

irvinz · #2 10-20-2008, 03:07 AM

the nova reverb is a very gig worthy reverb pedal. a bunch of noises, good ducking as well. the nova is voiced very well, as you already have mentioned. and reacts very well with modulated stuff too.

the verbzilla's are awesome and as you said are often hit and misses with the noise. however, after owning two of them, they all eventually develop a digital glitch, its most notable at the infamous octo setting... which is why i sold my first one.the cave setting on this thing is wicked tho. it really gets out of hand sometime!

im currently using the tech 21 boost rvb which is just sitting in for my dr scientist that i have on oder. neither are stereo i believe. and the tech 21 rvb doesnt really do lots of wierd, just subtle reverb, to a grand canyon.

if i get time at work tomorrow, maybe i'll give the nova reverb a whirl to see how crazy it could get?

TaySte_2000 · #3 10-20-2008, 03:17 AM

Thanks I appreciate it.

I mean when I think about it most of the time I'll be using it to make my sonic space bigger to add more sound to and stop things getting muddy so I wonder if gate, octo and reverse are just ooooo this sounds fun and will get a bit bleh after about 10 minutes.

But the Nova would mean I would have to have a second power supply on my board

TaySte_2000 · #4 10-20-2008, 03:21 AM

Oh and that new Fishman acoustic reverb sounded really tempting as well

moondog24 · #5 10-20-2008, 05:27 AM

Here are my first impressions of my RV-7:

RV-7 review

I bought it after being this close to pulling the trigger on a used Nova. I like the ease of use (and I'm usually a "more features" guy), smaller form factor, and the fact that it doesn't need a dedicated power supply.

True, it lacks the Nova's ducking, but the RV-7's sounds are great for my purposes.

TaySte_2000 · #6 10-20-2008, 05:32 AM

All I read in that review was cheap Nova

, the Hardwire is sorta top of the pile right now since it's cheaper than the Nova but a second hand nova isn't much more.

Can you do any sound clips of the hardwire on bass?

Thanks for the review it is very interesting

barium · #7 10-20-2008, 06:30 AM

I've got an EBS DynaVerb, which is a stereo reverb (also got a boss space echo twin pedal that is stereo, but it's not that good as a reverb only pedal).

It's clean, versatile and got a pedalboard friendly foot print.

Mr. Pickles · #8 10-20-2008, 08:13 AM

+1 on the Dynaverb. The new version is reportedly True Bypass and 24 bit processing/conversion. It's voiced for bass, but EBS doesn't specify what that means exactly.

I'd bet that the TC Nova Reverb would be more flexible for your applications. I wouldn't worry about their verb being "boring," as you have tons of tone shaping going on with all your effects. Their codes are top notch!

bongomania · #9 10-20-2008, 08:19 AM

I haven't heard the Nova, but I was so impressed by the channel I/O and switching on the Nova Dynamics that I would be quick to try their reverb. The added wall wart is a bummer though.

Mr. Pickles · #10 10-20-2008, 08:22 AM

Tayste-
Where will the verb fit in your signal chain?
Would you consider rackmount?

TaySte_2000 · #11 10-20-2008, 08:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Pickles

Tayste-
Where will the verb fit in your signal chain?
Would you consider rackmount?

Rackmount would make it really difficult without a stereo patch bay on the board and once I get 1 rack unit who knows where it will end I already have a full 14u rolling shock rack

lousybassist · #12 10-21-2008, 02:55 PM

I have a DynaVerb too, but wouldn't recommend it to anyone looking for more than very basic, subtle, reverbs. There's not one wild sounding, stupidly wet, setting to be had with it.

It's a good sounding unit though, albeit a bit boring. So, I'm looking for something to replace the EBS unit, and incidentally, I've been thinking along the same lines as TayStee.

slight-return · #13 10-21-2008, 03:13 PM

T -
One caveat with stereo in/out reverbs is, depending on the alg, there can be cross-mixing between the channels (it's not so much a limitation like the old single engine L/R summing type deal, rather it can be part of 'realistic' stereo imaging )

so "stereo" I/O ain't going to guarantee you dual mono compatibility (I recall running into someone who was having that exact application problem with the verbzilla a year or so ago)

Mr. Pickles · #14 10-21-2008, 03:20 PM

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Originally Posted by slight-return

T -
One caveat with stereo in/out reverbs is, depending on the alg, there can be cross-mixing between the channels (it's not so much a limitation like the old single engine L/R summing type deal, rather it can be part of 'realistic' stereo imaging )

so "stereo" I/O ain't going to guarantee you dual mono compatibility (I recall running into someone who was having that exact application problem with the verbzilla a year or so ago)

+1 ^ The only way to avoid the crosstalk is to find a dual engine reverb. That way, the signals are processed completely independently of each other.

TaySte_2000 · #15 10-21-2008, 03:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Pickles

+1 ^ The only way to avoid the crosstalk is to find a dual engine reverb. That way, the signals are processed completely independently of each other.

Nova?

Mr. Pickles · #16 10-21-2008, 03:54 PM

The crosstalk specs at TC Electronic site state <95dB 20Hz-20kHz.

The Nova has a dual delay line option, but I'm not sure if it's dual engines. The spec is pretty good; I don't think you need to worry about it.

TaySte_2000 · #17 10-22-2008, 01:56 AM

What about some of the cheaper rack units I just found an Alesis Microverb 4

I don't think that is the route I want to take but it's cheaper than all the pedal's I've looked at and would mean possibly no board expansion

moondog24 · #18 10-22-2008, 06:42 AM

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Originally Posted by TaySte_2000

Can you do any sound clips of the hardwire on bass?

Sorry I didn't respond sooner. Been dealing (still am) with a busted rib. Playing is kind of difficult right now.

I once borrowed a friend's Alesis rack verb back in '91 (can't remember now if it was a micro or midi) and loved it. It had a reverse delay patch in it that I couldn't get enough of.

Mr. Pickles · #19 10-22-2008, 07:58 AM

IIRC, the Midiverb utilized 16 bit conversion. If I were to purchase a rack verb again, I'd look at the newer Lexicon and TC Electronic stuff.

dannybuoy · #20 10-22-2008, 10:51 AM

Tayste, have you seen Spanky's video of the Verbzilla? Hear the Octo mode, it's GLORIOUS.