New Korg Pitchblack

[Max Roberts]

This seems to have slipped under the TB radar. A pitchblack+.

http://www.korg.com/gear/info.asp?a_...&category_id=5

[pasta4lnch]

looks pretty cool. i know a few acoustic gtr players that will like the custom tuning thing . . .

secretly I've been waiting for my boss to crap out so I can get a PB. cant stand when a tuner is slow, or doesn't work right . . .

[Bryan R. Tyler]

Glad I have no need for those extras- that thing's twice as big as the regular Pitch Black The current Pitch Black has been the best tuner I've come across in terms of tiny size, high visibility, and quick tuning of low notes (I'd pick it over my old Strobostomp any day)- I imagine this one is just as nice.

[René_Julien]

Originally Posted by Bryan R. Tyler

Glad I have no need for those extras-

Actually, I think I might need those extras.
I need custom tuning presets:
- 4string EADG
- 4string DADG
- 6string BEADGC

Would this pedal be handy for me?
Anyone have experiences with this, multiple tunings?

[bassman1185]

Originally Posted by C'thulhu

Actually, I think I might need those extras.
I need custom tuning presets:
- 4string EADG
- 4string DADG
- 6string BEADGC

Would this pedal be handy for me?
Anyone have experiences with this, multiple tunings?

Any chromatic tuner will do all of those tunings. I'm really not sure at all what the draw is of having "custom" tunings. They are made up of the same 12 notes that every other tuning is made up of.

[Bryan R. Tyler]

Originally Posted by C'thulhu

Actually, I think I might need those extras.
I need custom tuning presets:
- 4string EADG
- 4string DADG
- 6string BEADGC

Would this pedal be handy for me?
Anyone have experiences with this, multiple tunings?

Those are all standard tunings. You wouldn't use a different present for a bass tuned EADG and another tuned BEADGC because it would be the same tuning. The custom settings are good for people who use multiple varied tunings like flat tuning and tuning in different semitones (microtonal music, ethnic music, etc.).

[René_Julien]

Originally Posted by bassman1185

Any chromatic tuner will do all of those tunings. I'm really not sure at all what the draw is of having "custom" tunings. They are made up of the same 12 notes that every other tuning is made up of.

If I see the name of the note that will be enough.

My question actually was:
what exactly are custom tuning presets? (I have no experience with this kind of things.)

Does it mean that you can create a custom "tuning" for example drop D, and the pedal shows the string number. And string number 4 is set to be tuned D?


I guess a small good chromatic tuner is all I need then.

[FreaqyFrequency]

Yeah, I've never really gotten the point of tuning presets.

Any note you give it between E0 and C8, it will will tell you the note and whether it is sharp or flat. What more do you need?

[René_Julien]

Originally Posted by Bryan R. Tyler

Those are all standard tunings. You wouldn't use a different present for a bass tuned EADG and another tuned BEADGC because it would be the same tuning. The custom settings are good for people who use multiple varied tunings like flat tuning and tuning in different semitones (microtonal music, ethnic music, etc.).

Okay, so I don't need it then.

The regular Pitchblack seems cooler. Small and stealthy.

[Bryan R. Tyler]

Originally Posted by FreaqyFrequency

Yeah, I've never really gotten the point of tuning presets.

Any note you give it between E0 and C8, it will will tell you the note and whether it is sharp or flat. What more do you need?

A lot of people play in more than the standard 12-note equal temperment scale that we use most often in Western music.

[René_Julien]

Originally Posted by Bryan R. Tyler

A lot of people play in more than the standard 12-note equal temperment scale that we use most often in Western music.

But why bring this in a pedal without a microphone then?

Most instruments for etnic music are acoustic.

This pedal is for electric instruments.

[Bryan R. Tyler]

Originally Posted by C'thulhu

But why bring this in a pedal without a microphone then?

Most instruments for etnic music are acoustic.

This pedal is for electric instruments.

You can play ethnic musics on any instrument, and there is a HUGE amount of electrified music out there that goes beyond the 12-step equal temperment one we use. My old college buddy had a huge collection of electric Indian music, for example. Any instrument that can be amplified by use of a microphone can make use of such a tuner- acoustic instruments are still mic'd and amplified nearly any time you see them at a show. I wouldn't imagine they'd include a microphone as it would raise the price quite a bit for a feature many of their potential customers would not need.

[René_Julien]

Originally Posted by Bryan R. Tyler

You can play ethnic musics on any instrument, and there is a HUGE amount of electrified music out there that goes beyond the 12-step equal temperment one we use. My old college buddy had a huge collection of electric Indian music, for example. Any instrument that can be amplified by use of a microphone can make use of such a tuner- acoustic instruments are still mic'd and amplified nearly any time you see them at a show. I wouldn't imagine they'd include a microphone as it would raise the price quite a bit for a feature many of their potential customers would not need.

I guess I'm not familiar with electric instruments tuned in a special way. Could you give some examples.

Is there a market for this pedal then? For people that can really use it?

I still say it can use a microphone for the many acoustic instruments tuned microtonal.

[Bryan R. Tyler]

Originally Posted by C'thulhu

I guess I'm not familiar with electric instruments tuned in a special way. Could you give some examples.

Is there a market for this pedal then? For people that can really use it?

There's a market, although it will be significantly smaller than the number of customers who will stick to standard tuning. Just Google "microtonal" and you'll find a large community of players, most of whom use electric instruments. You can also look up "electric sitar" and the like for electrified ethnic instruments.

Man, I hate how I have to say "ethnic" to describe any music that isn't based off of the temperment we use

I still say it can use a microphone for the many acoustic instruments tuned microtonal.

I'm sure their main market isn't people who need the semitonal tuning options, so adding a mic would make a larger percentage of their customers pay for something they won't use which is bad business sense, particularly when you consider that many of the acoustic players who want such a tuner already have a mic/pickup system.

[grovest]

Custom tuning was part of the reason I bought a VSAM. The manual for that unit has plain-speak explanations of the different variations that are preloaded. The VSAM, like some others, also has memory for user-created altered tunings.

Page 24 here: http://www.petersontuners.com/media/...%20English.pdf

[René_Julien]

Originally Posted by Bryan R. Tyler

There's a market, although it will be significantly smaller than the number of customers who will stick to standard tuning. Just Google "microtonal" and you'll find a large community of players, most of whom use electric instruments. You can also look up "electric sitar" and the like for electrified ethnic instruments.

The electric sitar I knew about. I think it's a cool instrument and this pedal can be useful to those players.

I don't know much (almost nothing) of that electric Indian music you mentioned earlier.
But I am a bit intrested in oriental music, particular Chinese.
That's how I immediatly link acoustic instrument to microtonal tunings.

Originally Posted by Bryan R. Tyler

Man, I hate how I have to say "ethnic" to describe any music that isn't based off of the temperment we use

The word "ethnic" doesn't have a bad undertone in the music world. IMO
Would it be more politicly correct to use the term "non-traditional-western" music.

Originally Posted by Bryan R. Tyler

I'm sure their main market isn't people who need the semitonal tuning options, so adding a mic would make a larger percentage of their customers pay for something they won't use which is bad business sense,

Yup, I agree.
Like me in my first post in this thread.
Getting gear with a lot of bells and whistles you actually don't need.
If Korg makes it, people will buy it.

Originally Posted by Bryan R. Tyler

particularly when you consider that many of the acoustic players who want such a tuner already have a mic/pickup system.

Well, I don't know about this.
This is a big group of people we are talking about.
I assume there are a lot of incredible acoustic musicians on various instruments that don't care about amplification. And rather let this issue be dealt with by sound guys at performances and studio engineers for recording.


But, for the musicians I have in mind: there are so many tuners out there that will suit their needs.

[bassyeah]

has anyone used the presets on the new Korg PB2? I was thinking of getting one for standard tuning, drop d & e flat... would the PB1 take care of this?

[Bryan R. Tyler]

Originally Posted by bassyeah

has anyone used the presets on the new Korg PB2? I was thinking of getting one for standard tuning, drop d & e flat... would the PB1 take care of this?

You don't need a preset for standard tuning notes like a drop D and Eb. Those are standard tuning notes and will show up on the tuner whether you have them on your open E string or anywhere else on the neck. Presets work for when you want to tune to notes OUTSIDE of standard tuning.