new sounds...

JohnDavisNYC · #1 01-01-2011, 08:52 PM

since my thread about the new nerve ep already got moved by a moderator, i thought i'd post something again that is more about the effects so that people can discuss the sounds and ask any questions. not sure which mod did it, but i guess my post seemed too much like it was about recording, not effects....

since outside of this forum no-one knows who i am, i thought i'd attempt to keep some sort of discussion here in the effects forum where i feel it is valid.

anyway, like i mentioned in that thread, i'm really happy with some of my sounds on this new ep, and it's fun to keep pushing further in sound design. each ep has had a different approach, and this latest one has more multitracking (doubling and tripling lines with different sounds for width, etc.) as well as more processing with plugins in the box.... except for Derbyshire, which is all one take of bass, with only oc2, bug crusher, and m9, and one of my favourite sounds i've gotten.

tracks here!/

let me know what you guys think, and feel free to fire away with any questions!

really just wanted to share the sounds with you guys, so mods, please don't move this, just delete it and send me a message if there is some sort of problem.

john

rottenramone · #2 01-01-2011, 08:59 PM

great way to kick off 2011!

iamdenialNJ · #3 01-01-2011, 09:02 PM

hell yeah man! some great sounds you got there. I especially enjoyed Grey Market.

JohnDavisNYC · #4 01-01-2011, 09:08 PM

Thanks. Grey Market is a few different things... Finally got a sort of hollow FM synth kinda sound... The distorted it with soundtoys decapitator and a flanger I made in pitchblender and blended that with the original.

I played my fodera fretless on this track.

John

Matt Dean · #5 01-01-2011, 09:52 PM

Listening to ep3 now... sounding most excellent!

JimmyM · #6 01-02-2011, 02:09 AM

bass should never have effects.

riiiiiiiiiight! john, i'll tell you...it amazes me how you come up with that stuff. that grey market sound is awesome. and props to your bass lines as well. to play with that kind of precision with all those effects is no easy feat, i'm sure.

warwick.hoy · #7 01-02-2011, 02:29 AM

Nothing really to contribute other than amazing work as usual.

EDIT: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5hQ992Ekcm0

Did this song/these songs ever make it to record?

EDITx2 nvrmnd fnd it =P

faeteedah · #8 01-02-2011, 06:26 AM

Ooo "Grey Market" is great!!!
Also "Mindwash"!Amazing sounds here!
Compliments!!!
I'm still waiting for another Nerve's concert here in Italy!

Fuff24 · #9 01-02-2011, 07:08 AM

grey market is phenomenal! its basically dubstep! Can I ask what pedals were used?

**grygrx** · #10 01-02-2011, 07:13 AM

John: Sorry that was me, I should have stamped it.

It basically falls into a 'if everyone were doing it' category of moderation. I understand that there is some feeling of community within the different sub-forums, but it's all Talkbass, and there is a 'place' for most things...

This can stay ("nice spin/long upstanding member/etc"), but this is not a carte blanche for all people who use effects on bass guitar to come and market their group/songs/music here.

jwr · #11 01-02-2011, 07:16 AM

Man this is some amazing music

plangentmusic · #12 01-02-2011, 07:26 AM

Reminds me of the Herbie Hancock album "Sextant" -- which was one of his most adventurous projects.

I'll be honest -- and this is meant as a compliment -- I have a hard time staying with stuff like that for too long, yet I can appreciate what you're doing.

I know it's all about the sounds and the atmosphere and in that regard, you hit it out of the park, but it just doesn't sustain my interest. I'm more of a melody guy. But everything about what you're going for works -- the playing the sounds and the mood. Nice job and good luck with it.

JohnDavisNYC · #13 01-02-2011, 07:34 AM

Thanks grygrx for explaining. Totally understand your reasoning.

Thanks for letting this one stay, I'm excited about the sounds and was hoping there could be some good discussions about them...

John

JohnDavisNYC · #14 01-02-2011, 07:42 AM

The sound on grey market is a few different things. The first 'hit' with the filter sweep is just oc2 into woolly mammoth into mf101 swept with my foot. I sampled that into the looper in the m9 and triggered it when I wanted it.

The answer phrase was oc2 into bugcrusher with some modulation stuff in the m9 for the hollow fm kind of sound.

The wobble was a sample I made from something I grabbed during another take.

Then all of these sounds got sent out protools on one channel while they also got sent to an aux with distortion and flanger. This aux came out another pair of channels and they then all got bussed to a parallel dbx165 for the peakstop limiter distortion.

John

**grygrx** · #15 01-02-2011, 08:01 AM

This might be off-topic a touch, but hell... I'm mod I'll do what I want! (cringe)
How do you handle the drum programming recording vs. live? Always been something that fascinates me and I've not spent much time trying to wrap my head around.

PS: I really liked both mindwash and grey market. These two worked well in my mental paradigm, in a genre I'm not well versed in... striking chords of Crystal Castles and Lamb (both acts I enjoy)

Explorer · #16 01-02-2011, 01:40 PM

What's being used for the constant bass figure on "Grey Market?" I'm unsure if you're using another name for it, so forgive me if I missed it.

And, if it's something you grabbed from another track, I'd still be interested in what was used when it was recorded for the other track.

JohnDavisNYC · #17 01-02-2011, 02:18 PM

Grygrx: all the drums are live on this stuff, what it really comes down to is the approach to recording it and also processing it. With this band there is usually between 12 and 16 mics on the kit, so there are a lot of options, and many tracks end up getting muted. I use a lot of sidechained gates and compressors on various tracks to 'alter reality' a bit, and then there is all the verb choices, delay, modulation, etc... It's very different that working with programmed drums where the whole beat might be a mono sample.

Playing live then just requires figuring out how much the sound needs to be copped, and how much the musical intent can convey the vibe.

For the question re: grey market, all the stuff was from this song, just the low wobble that happens at the end on the cycle sometimes was from a take where I was just searching for stuff, and I liked that wobble..

John

JimmyM · #18 01-02-2011, 02:48 PM

[brilliant idea mode]

john, know what i'd love to hear you guys do in the nf? take 3 or 4 of your favorite standards (pd standards, of course, so you can keep the money

), and give 'em the nerve slice 'n' dice treatment. if you've already had that brainstorm and done anything like that in the past, i'd love to hear it, but i think that would be so cool to take standards everyone knows and run them through the wringer. any interest?

[/brilliant idea mode]

DannDubblewe · #19 01-02-2011, 03:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JohnDavisNYC

The sound on grey market is a few different things. The first 'hit' with the filter sweep is just oc2 into woolly mammoth into mf101 swept with my foot. I sampled that into the looper in the m9 and triggered it when I wanted it...

I love this approach. A looper can be utilized in so many ways - it can be quite the useful tool.

I am so excited to be listening to the new EP! It sounds freaking great. I'm especially impressed by Mindwash, it is so heavy! The bass is just out of control. Were there multiple layers of bass in this track?

It also seems the bugcrusher plays a major(ly great) role in your overall sound. It really kind of crushes it into electronic happiness

Swift713 · #20 01-02-2011, 08:22 PM

Very nice work! (drool)