Octaver... Pitch shifter...?

mrkode · #1 01-22-2009, 08:52 AM

Hi all,

I'm currently looking for a pedal that would allow me to play a low Bb sliding down to a low F.

Most octavers, from what I remember when using them, always keep the original higher note.

So is there something I can use that would play only the low Bb when actually playing the higher Bb on the E string?

rratajski · #2 01-22-2009, 08:58 AM

EHX HOG or POG. You can filter out your dry signal. Boss PS-3, etc.

A bunch will do it...What's your budget?

dannybuoy · #3 01-22-2009, 08:58 AM

Most Octavers let you turn the dry signal all the way down and only play the octave down. I use the Boss OC-2 for this, but most others (one exception that springs to mind is the Digitech Bass Synth Wah) can do this too.

mrkode · #4 01-22-2009, 09:01 AM

Ah I didn't look at the POG, I had initially thought about the Micro Synth but thought it was too pricey just for the octave option or their new Multiplexer which seems cool.

Budget is 250$

rratajski · #5 01-22-2009, 09:22 AM

Then the HOG and POG are out out out...

Look into the Boss PS-3. They are well-liked on here and can do some other fun stuff! You can grab one on here every so often or weekly on ebay.

okTem · #6 01-22-2009, 09:29 AM

EHX Micro Synth and POG are way different characters of octave processing. I own & use both. POG would be the one you'd be looking for. Can't comment on HOG since I didn't have the chance to try one out.

mrkode · #7 01-22-2009, 09:36 AM

I just noticed the micro POG on EHX website. Don't know if it's in the stores yet but it has 3 seperate knobs for dry signal, sub octave and octave up. Might just do the trick.

I'll let you guys know if I can manage to find and try one.

Jared Lash · #8 01-22-2009, 09:43 AM

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Originally Posted by rratajski

Then the HOG and POG are out out out...

Look into the Boss PS-3. They are well-liked on here and can do some other fun stuff! You can grab one on here every so often or weekly on ebay.

The Micro POG is still within his budget at around $210 new I believe. I would strongly recommend against the PS-3 for his needs. It's a great pedal (I have one) and a lot of fun, but will NOT give a clean pitch shifted tone. It is very digital and glitchy sounding.

As for the OP, I'm not quite sure I'm understanding, but this is what I'm reading from your post. You want a pedal that will produce only the octave BELOW the Bb (sixth fret of the E string) when fretting that note and also want it to produce an octave down when playing a low F (1st fret on the E)?

Very few pedals will track below a low A (the POG will) but even if it does, notes below that are very hard to hear. A 100% wet (no dry signal) low F probably wouldn't even be heard unless you have a pretty substantial rig.

mrkode · #9 01-22-2009, 09:58 AM

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Originally Posted by TheBigO

The Micro POG is still within his budget at around $210 new I believe. I would strongly recommend against the PS-3 for his needs. It's a great pedal (I have one) and a lot of fun, but will NOT give a clean pitch shifted tone. It is very digital and glitchy sounding.

As for the OP, I'm not quite sure I'm understanding, but this is what I'm reading from your post. You want a pedal that will produce only the octave BELOW the Bb (sixth fret of the E string) when fretting that note and also want it to produce an octave down when playing a low F (1st fret on the E)?

Very few pedals will track below a low A (the POG will) but even if it does, notes below that are very hard to hear. A 100% wet (no dry signal) low F probably wouldn't even be heard unless you have a pretty substantial rig.

You got it right.

I'm not too worried about the ability to track down to a low F as it's only a Bb sliding down for about a half note duration.

tomhanzo · #10 01-22-2009, 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by TheBigO

The Micro POG is still within his budget at around $210 new I believe. I would strongly recommend against the PS-3 for his needs. It's a great pedal (I have one) and a lot of fun, but will NOT give a clean pitch shifted tone. It is very digital and glitchy sounding.

+100 Yeah it can do it all, but its super digital. I love mine, but i dont use the octave stuff--except mode 7

EADG mx · #11 01-22-2009, 12:01 PM

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Originally Posted by mrkode

Hi all,

I'm currently looking for a pedal that would allow me to play a low Bb sliding down to a low F.

Most octavers, from what I remember when using them, always keep the original higher note.

So is there something I can use that would play only the low Bb when actually playing the higher Bb on the E string?

So you need something that drops your signal an octave, with 100% wet signal?

rratajski · #12 01-22-2009, 12:12 PM

Micro Pogs pop up on here every so often...Check the ebay...or if your GAS is bad, just try it out at your local music store.

Jared Lash · #13 01-22-2009, 12:14 PM

Pretty much all octavers allow for a 100% suboctave, 0% clean setting. But analog octavers will not track well that low so you're looking at digital ones. I personally didn't like the POG or the micro POG (too sterile/digital sounding for me) but it will do what you want.

almix12 · #14 01-22-2009, 12:56 PM

boss oc2 or oc3

sikamikanico · #15 01-22-2009, 03:48 PM

digital octavers don't sound good for this purpose imo. I base my opinion on Bass Whammy and HOG (I imagine POGs are similar). Maybe on certain occasions, but generally, they really are too thin and digital sounding without the clean signal blended with them...

two pedals come to mind - danelectro chilli dog and EBS octabass. danelectro, to me, sounded more like clean bass guitar than Boss OC-2 (which is very synthy) and is cheap. EBS they say tracks good and is analog, but I cannot say how it would sound. I have tried it briefly a few year ago and do not remember trying that setting (only octave sound)

Jared Lash · #16 01-22-2009, 04:03 PM

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Originally Posted by sikamikanico

digital octavers don't sound good for this purpose imo. I base my opinion on Bass Whammy and HOG (I imagine POGs are similar). Maybe on certain occasions, but generally, they really are too thin and digital sounding without the clean signal blended with them...

two pedals come to mind - danelectro chilli dog and EBS octabass. danelectro, to me, sounded more like clean bass guitar than Boss OC-2 (which is very synthy) and is cheap. EBS they say tracks good and is analog, but I cannot say how it would sound. I have tried it briefly a few year ago and do not remember trying that setting (only octave sound)

I agree with what you are saying, but there's no way to use an analog octaver for what the OP wants. The EBS sounds great and is MUCH more natural sounding than the OC-2, but it also stops tracking well at the low A on the E string. If the OP wants to go lower, it will mean going digital and having a less organic tone.

sikamikanico · #17 01-23-2009, 01:29 AM

well, it depends on how long the OP wants to sustain a note...

I just tried my OC-2 with a precision (w.flats) and jazz (w.rounds). OC-2 sustained quite a solid low F with the P, more then enough for most situations imo, but the jazz was tricky... with both PUps, it sustained maybe half a second and then "skipped"; with the neck pickup only (and treble at about 60%) it managed a bit more (but not more than a second)....