Official Virtual AMPEG Portaflex Club

[Duke21]

Originally Posted by adambomb

The
"Official Virtual AMPEG Portaflex Club" member list:

1010101-01 : adambomb
1010101-02 : Duke21
1010101-03 : PrietoBass (he assigned his own number but that's ok he was next into the thread)
1010101-04 : Rip Topaz
1010101-05 : E.J. T.N.T
1010101-06 : The Big Chief
1010101-07 : garmentaros
1010101-08 : bassgrooves2
1010101-09 : BluesMan845
1010101-10 : fivestringgecko
1010101-11 : nick98338
1010101-12 : Kubicki440

Sorry kubicki440 but that was only fair

Page 30 was the first post from Brian at IK I didn't give him a number cause he didn't come on to talk about the b15r he came just to say "We will let you know any information about AudioBus if and when we have it." Then later to get in a fist fight with rip I wish he had come in to talk how great the b15 was or help or give some juicy info but....

Originally Posted by Rip Topaz

Lol.

Very original of IK.......

[adambomb]

Originally Posted by Rip Topaz

Here's what's to come from IK:

http://www.ikmultimedia.com/news/events/?item_id=1978

Lol. Outsourced Apogee clone. So glad I bought the real thing. IK just doesn't stop making me laugh!!

Wow a very familiar looking device

[adambomb]

I don't have mtd yet does the prieto loophole work from jamup to gb or at

[PrietoBass]

Originally Posted by adambomb

I don't have mtd yet does the prieto loophole work from jamup to gb or at

You mean to record on a 1st gen iPhone 4 device?

v1 of the "loophole" was wrong... that didn't work as the input to the recording app was coming from the Jam straight and not processed through JamUp running on the background.

v2 was nothing but a "discovery" that you could still run Jam -> JamUp -> MTD via AudioBus on a plain vanilla iPhone 4 *as long as* you didn't use AudioBus to switch between the apps. I start the apps first, start ADB, link the apps, place ADB in the background, minimize/hide the ADB navigation tab on each ADB linked app, and forget about ADB completely! That gets me through a session without my phone crashing.

If you are talking placing another app last in the ADB chain to record instead of MTD, that would be worth trying (are there any others beside MTD?).

For the v1 scenario to work JamUp would have to output to a "virtual port" that the recording app could then recognize as input.

[adambomb]

I was just hoping to have jamup running in the background and have GB to record it I know AT wouldn't work it would override the input to its own amps

[adambomb]

I'm no where around it at the moment or I would have just tried it

[Brian at IK]

Originally Posted by Rip Topaz

Here's what's to come from IK:

http://www.ikmultimedia.com/news/events/?item_id=1978

Lol. Outsourced Apogee clone. So glad I bought the real thing. IK just doesn't stop making me laugh!!

Rip, I get it, you're an IK hater, but you gotta stop making patentently false statements about our products. iRig HD is manufactured in Italy (that isn't outsourced for us!) Also iRig HD will support the new iOS Lightning port right out of the box, the first guitar interface to do that.

iRig HD is an upgrade to the original iRig and a continuation of the iRig legacy. iRig was the very first guitar interface for the iPhone. We invented the concept. We've never called the other interfaces that came along trying to capitalize on our concept "clones" - so the idea that our upgraded iRig is a "clone" of something that came way later is absurd.

[JimmyM]

Gotta agree with Brian about that.

[adambomb]

Wow Brian yes rip does have a lot of anger towards you guys...and you don't seem to want to mend that relationship from manufacturer to customer for some reason you only show up to start something else with him......he has stated a very obvious comparison to the apogee jam they look identical except the silver ring around the top. the logos and all are almost in the same places its very very similar. Even the led placement.

It seems to be a sore spot with you. do you not think they are way similar? How are they different. Even the input volume are placed the same. It is funny

I wish you guys from IK would come on the threads and we all could have a civilized conversation. Because I would love to use your product. I sure have put enough money into it. But some issues need to be worked out.

[adambomb]

Originally Posted by Brian at IK

Rip, I get it, you're an IK hater, but you gotta stop making patentently false statements about our products. iRig HD is manufactured in Italy (that isn't outsourced for us!) Also iRig HD will support the new iOS Lightning port right out of the box, the first guitar interface to do that.

iRig HD is an upgrade to the original iRig and a continuation of the iRig legacy. iRig was the very first guitar interface for the iPhone. We invented the concept. We've never called the other interfaces that came along trying to capitalize on our concept "clones" - so the idea that our upgraded iRig is a "clone" of something that came way later is absurd.

Just because its made in Italy doesn't mean that it isn't a copy of what the apogee is.... You know what? it's ok to see the apogee and make something that is a really close match to it..... Just admit that that the apogee jam is an outstanding product and you wanted to offer your customers a product that rivaled the apogee product there is nothing wrong with that. It is what the customers want and you want to give them a quality product. One other thing if your product came out first like the apogee did you probably would have a 30 pin instead of the lightning port. And all the new iproducts will have a lightning port so that is what it is.

You could have come in here real smooth like but, you didn't want to do that.....instead you wanted to start a bar fight with rip again.

[Brian at IK]

I don't come looking for a fight, only to correct misinformation. We're always eager to have a conversation with our users, and even have our own forum for that.

iRig HD's design was based on the original iRig. Perhaps others also based the design of their products on the original iRig as well..?

[adambomb]

Originally Posted by Brian at IK

I don't come looking for a fight, only to correct misinformation. We're always eager to have a conversation with our users, and even have our own forum for that.

I can't even begin with you on that to also start something.
Brian,
There are a few things that I hope you guys are actually working on ...... to improve the app itself. An actual digital interface for sure helps.

[Duke21]

Originally Posted by adambomb

Wow Brian yes rip does have a lot of anger towards you guys...and you don't seem to want to mend that relationship from manufacturer to customer for some reason you only show up to start something else with him......he has stated a very obvious comparison to the apogee jam they look identical except the silver ring around the top. the logos and all are almost in the same places its very very similar. Even the led placement.

It seems to be a sore spot with you. do you not think they are way similar? How are they different. Even the input volume are placed the same. It is funny

I wish you guys from IK would come on the threads and we all could have a civilized conversation. Because I would love to use your product. I sure have put enough money into it. But some issues need to be worked out.

Totally agree with Adam. Yes Rip is really angry with IK multimedia, and in some sense he reminds me of JimmyM, he says what is on his mind right out, this is something which is a very positive aspect. At least I Jimmy and Rip's temperament. Sorry Jimmy for dragging you into this, but as said, that is why we like you and Rip!

Otherwise, Brian, you tent to forget that I've been one of Amplitube iOS biggest supporters on this forum. But being positive towards IK multimedia obviously doesn't count for anything. I gave up on you, not because of the iRig, as I found it totally fine for what it is. Limited, yes, but still gave me lots of joy. Amplitube iOS, bloated with guitar stuff, but still gave me lots of joy, as I liked both the bass amp and the Marshall amp. Ten came the B15R and the Møller which were really something else back then. Hugh improvement.
But after that came the update to Jamup XT which send you to 2nd place regarding tone and amount of bass gear. Sorry, nut you will have to accept that.
I gave up on IK multimedia and Amplitube iOS due to your and Obi's attitude!! So it is totally your fault!! Deleting post on the IK forum, picking up idiotic fights on the TB forum, never coming out with any really interesting info, only the usual sales department "propaganda"... So, Brian, you should know here and now, that I was a customer which purchased every single in-app stuff you released for AT iOS, even the vocal pack. But that stooped just before the Hendrix pack which I didn't buy. By then I've deleted AT iOS from both my iPads. Thanks to you!
The iRig HD is manufactured in Italy, nice, Italy needs that due to poor economics. But the design of the iRig HD is ridiculously close to the Apogee Jam and the inside parts are most likely manufactured in Asia, so they might be the same as the Apogee. Tell, you something Brian, I don't care! If the iRig HD price is right then it is just fine, iRig users could upgrade their tone to what ever they desire, iRig HD included. I think IK multimedia jumped on the digital interface a bit too late. The iRig mix and the iRig stomp should have been digital from the start. While the iRig was used by many and many managed to get decent tone out of it I've never seen any positive review on the iRig stomp.

Btw Brian, JimmyM which is our Ampeg guy says that the B15 1966/64 on Jamup sound more like a B15 then the B15R on AT iOS. Now that is an interesting fact for the virtual Portaflex club.

[Duke21]

Originally Posted by Brian at IK

I don't come looking for a fight, only to correct misinformation. We're always eager to have a conversation with our users, and even have our own forum for that.

iRig HD's design was based on the original iRig. Perhaps others also based the design of their products on the original iRig as well..?

Wrong, your forum is useless. One have to think twice about what one put into the text as things get deleted there constantly. Your forum is even worse then the Ric forum, and that says something.

[Brian at IK]

Duke, our community of over 40,000 loyal users certainly do not think our forum is useless. We provide it for our users to come in good faith to discuss using IK products for making music. But please keep in mind, we need to moderate our forum so it is a pleasant place for them. Very rarely do we have to move or remove posts. We have clearly stated rules, and if someone comes to troll IK users, agitate, or advertise for competitors, then yes, their post will be removed, and repeated offenders will be banned.

[Duke21]

Originally Posted by Brian at IK

Duke, our community of over 40,000 loyal users certainly do not think our forum is useless. We provide it for our users to come in good faith to discuss using IK products for making music. But please keep in mind, we need to moderate our forum so it is a pleasant place for them. Very rarely do we have to move or remove posts. We have clearly stated rules, and if someone comes to troll IK users, agitate, or advertise for competitors, then yes, their post will be removed, and repeated offenders will be banned.

I didn't come to the IK forum to troll or to advertise for other products. I'm not endorsing any iOS products. If I wanted to advertise for some products which I endorse it would be Roller Skies!!! You name Modena and IK nice collection of amps, you shoudl see my basement and my "roller-ski room". I've so many roller skies that I've lost count of how many I have.
I'm a product developer and I do R&D for a Norwegian roller-ski manufacture.
Anyway, you can use your numbers to try to convince us that things are so great. One thing I'll admit your product is better then some of your customer relations. Way better actually, many positive things can be said about AT iOS, but right now its the second best out there for us bass players. I can't play these tiny 6 strings guitars, so I do not really care for how good are Jamup or AT iOS for guitar.

Anyway this quarrel gives noting to the Virtual Portaflex club, but then we will reach part 2 sooner.

And speaking Virtual Portaflex, just after you released the B15R I've started the Virtual Portaflex soundcloud group. Rip is a member in the group, he and Adam were among the first to join. So, Rip was actually also one of your strong supporters, but it is too easy to forget that.
I even mailed IK multimedia about this group and invited IK multimedia to follow us. Never heard anything from you guys.
On the other hand, When I created the Jamup soundcloud group for bass players Positive Grid followed us immediately after I've invited them. Seems to me that they know the phrase "musician first" very well.

Now back to the virtual portaflex. When will IK multimedia fix the GUI on the B15R? Ultra high is ultra low, on is off etc. We know how to deal with it, but when will you fix that? can't be that difficult.
And, we have asked for an Ampeg 8x10" cab for "a decade", mostly for using with the Ampeg CL based bass amp. Is it so difficult to do that? We have asked for this cab on this forum and your forum for a very long time.

Will we have to wait until you guys are first finished with the Eric Clapton pack? The Edge pack? Brian May pack? Kirk Hammett pack?

[Rip Topaz]

Wow, I leave for a few hours and all hell breaks loose!!

Hi, Brian!! Welcome back!! See, in this forum, we're actually able to speak our minds without fear of deletion when our comments hurt your feelings.

Sure, you have a factory in Italy now, that's great. But that totally proved my point about outsourcing. How many American employees work there, other than administrative staff?? Yeah, that's what I thought. It's ok, cheap labor is cheap labor.

As for the similarities between the Irig HD and the Apogee Jam, come on!! It's impossible to deny!! No sense arguing chicken or the egg, it isn't about that.

You can get as heated as you like, delete me as much as you want, but the simple fact is that IK has been beaten at your own game. You can quote sales figures and spin this however you like, but TONE doesn't lie.

I left IK for the same reason as Duke21. See, I was also an IK "power user", until your hostility here and Peter and Obi's on the IK forum caused me to rethink my loyalty. It's pretty simple really. Treat your customers with respect, listen to their needs instead of being defensive. Any time we've posted suggestions, it has been out of a real desire to see Amplitube iOS improve. Sorry you didn't see that.

I'm also sorry that my style of posting offends you. This is the Internet, dude. If you beat around the bush and just offer lip service, posts get lost and forums end up with useless information. By being blunt and to the point about how Amplitube can be improved, my comments can actually be found in a search if IK ever desires to truely listen to their customer base and try to improve customer relations.

The IK forum. Hmm. Ok, let's talk about the IK forum. 40,000 users, huh? You may have 40,000 "registered" users on your forum, but how often do they post, or even return a second time?

This thread and others like it are growing at an unbelievable rate. I've lurked on the IK forum and have actually seem days where I was the ONLY poster!! I can understand why. A forum should be a place where people can come together and discuss your product and how it relates in the real world. Unfortunately, the IK forum is just one big "ad" for IK. Your moderators have made sure of that by deleting anything that disagrees with your marketing model. It's an extremely one-sided forum, and because of that, completely useless in the real world. See, no matter how defensive you, Obi and Peter get over this, the simple fact is that this all started when Duke, Adam and I came to IK with suggestions to make Amplitube iOS a better app. Nothing more. We offered suggestions based on not only our personal use of Amplitube (like Duke, I went "all in" with AT iOS, I bought ALL the in-app addons) and also based on our discussions here.

So Brian, it's like this. We've tried to get along with you (IK). I understand you've been sent here with a script for "damage control", I get that. The reason it takes so long for a response is that IK has to get just the right spin on our posts to make it seem like IK cares about us. I've been in the real world for a long time, and have been a salesman for most of my working career. I understand the game. Just for the record, I was at one point a salesman at GC, where I sold.. Wait for it.. IK Multimedia products. That's right, I was actually at one point on the other side of this argument, trying to sell your products to those 40,000 pimply teenagers looking to play Enter Sandman in their bedrooms.

Musicians First. We didn't say it, IK did. But talk is cheap, and when you consistently turn your back on customer relations and offer nothing but hostility and lip service, you eventually lose at your own game.

So as you can see, I haven't ALWAYS been an IK "hater". I put more money into your iOS app than most of those 40,000 pimply teenagers ever will. I waited patiently for IK to step it up for us bassists, I offered suggestions to improve the bass gear in AT iOS.

But you, Obi and Peter are IK's "damage control" division. We all get that. I don't hold a grudge.

See, Brian, I still have Amplitube iOS in my iTunes app library, whatever you call it. I've deleted it from my device for space concerns, but I continue to hope to see IK step it up for us bassists. What you've failed to realize is that even though there have been hostile conversations between us all, this group of bassists is probably IK's best bet for a connection to their customers. We've got some REAL experience with Amplitube iOS, power users if you will.

Ask your 40,000 other users for suggestions. Go ahead, do it on YOUR forum. Then wait. Because THIS forum actually gets posts, and more than one or two a week.

Or, be a part of this one, and actually get real information that sometimes even gets very technical, something your 40,000 Kirk Hammett wannabes won't be able to offer.

So go ahead, Brian. Continue to be hostile. It's ok. See, while you're busy doing that, you're missing the whole discussion. IK is so concerned with "damage control" that you're ignoring the original point.

[Brian at IK]

Originally Posted by Duke21

And, we have asked for an Ampeg 8x10" cab for "a decade", mostly for using with the Ampeg CL based bass amp. Is it so difficult to do that? We have asked for this cab on this forum and your forum for a very long time.

We have an 8x10 Ampeg cab in Ampeg SVX. Or did you mean for iOS, specifically (that would be significantly less than a decade!)

[Rip Topaz]

No offense Brian, but this is exactly what we're talking about!!

Sure, you have an Ampeg 810 in Ampeg SVX, but this entire thread is about iOS!!! Why even bother telling us that?!?

This is what we mean. Instead of actually listening, you'd (IK in general) rather brag about IK's other apps. We don't care about Ampeg SVX. It's totally irrelevant to this conversation.

Of course we mean iOS!!

[Duke21]

Great post Rip.