Old BMS vs. XO BMS - ASDR Issue?

kevteop · #1 01-27-2009, 05:38 AM

I recently sold my old BMS and bought the new XO model, but there's a very obvious difference between the two:

On the old one, it would sustain my note at a constant volume until the pedal could no longer track it, then it would suddenly gate. On the new one, the output decays as the input does.

As far as I'm concerned, this is a BAD THING. The old one sounded huge because it would maintain the volume throughout the filter sweep. This new one weeds out too early.

Does anybody know if there's something I can adjust inside the XO model to make it behave like the older one?

Toasted · #2 01-27-2009, 06:08 AM

Don't they have a "gain" trimpot?

fightthepower · #3 01-27-2009, 06:39 AM

I don't think the new ones have an external pot, internal I don't konw... I have an old one, and an XO on the way to hopefully replace it, so I'm hoping this isn't an issue!

kevteop · #4 01-27-2009, 07:11 AM

I don't think the preamp gain is the issue. Actually I'm not sure what I thought was the issue was actually the issue!

The ranges on the filter section sliders are all very different. I think it is possible to dial in some of the sounds from the original BMS, but they don't seem to sound quite as good. And the rate slider is just impossible to set right now, because 50% of the travel does next to nothing, and at max you get a longer sweep than on the old model. So basically there's a 3-5mm stretch of the slider where lots of useful sounds live that used to be a 25mm stretch of the slider on the old BMS.

Bleh... Need to spend more time with this thing to figure out exactly what's different. It definitely doesn't sound as good as the old one though.

rratajski · #5 01-27-2009, 07:26 AM

I'm still lovin' mine. When I got it and did the little review on here, I was able to spend more than an hour messing/tweaking it. I don't notice the issue that the OP is referencing, but kev's issue I have noticed. I actually look at it as a 1UP to the old model...

I just keep all of my settings printed out on a small paper w/ my board. I do miss a little of that warmth that accompanied the old BMS.

icarussmicarus · #6 01-27-2009, 07:50 AM

The only time that mine has cut out before the sweep has ended was due to playing error, ie. my fret hand slips or some such. I've never owned an original though so I can't really compare thoughts.

kevteop · #7 01-27-2009, 08:25 AM

This XO model feels cheap too. The sliders on the old box had some resistance, whereas this has more sensitive sliders and they are really easy to knock out of position. And the stomp felt better on the old one. Even the paint job looks cheap - really thin all over, and the base isn't quite the same shade.

I'm considering getting another old one so I can A/B them properly.

judas jedermann · #8 01-29-2009, 02:32 AM

XO BMS do have a gain trim pot. After tweaking XO did sound much more like older version IMO. And it sound marvellous in front of Cream pie. Like massive synth explosions.

whoatherechunk · #9 01-30-2009, 12:42 AM

i'm wondering which one to buy when i get one in the future.....

hmmmmm.

coreyfyfe · #10 01-30-2009, 07:10 AM

I had that same problem with mine, it would cut out and not sustain the whole note, but for me it did seem like it was a pre-amp gain issue. If I used a higher-gain bass without changing the internal gain setting I would get greater sustain. I ended up setting it for my lowest gain bass and just going with that.

whoatherechunk · #11 02-15-2009, 01:53 AM

hey FTP....what has your consensus been on both of them? old vs. x/o....