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08-14-2009, 01:48 PM
| | | | "One Of These Days" Live at Pompeii sound-how do I get it on a budget?
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I've tried a handful of delays and always come away dissatisfied, but I know I want a pedal that can do EXACTLY this, for as little money as possible (cuz if you haven't heard, we're in a bit of a recession). http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5XJuWcls7CA
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08-14-2009, 02:02 PM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: los angeles, ca | | | which delays have you tried and what is it about the sound that is dissatisfying?
i use a boss delay pedal and slap away.
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08-14-2009, 02:05 PM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Halifax, Nova Scotia | | | Well it could be hard to get a pedal that does just that.
IIRC, you need a delay and tremolo at the very least. And the studio version was done with two basses I believe.
The original units were a Space Echo style tape delay (an off brand Italian one, maybe??) and the tremelo of a vintage tube amp. I may be off on those, this is just from memory.
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08-14-2009, 02:31 PM
|  | Registered User | | Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Rhode Island, USA | | Quote:
Originally Posted by megadan Well it could be hard to get a pedal that does just that.
IIRC, you need a delay and tremolo at the very least. And the studio version was done with two basses I believe.
The original units were a Space Echo style tape delay (an off brand Italian one, maybe??) and the tremelo of a vintage tube amp. I may be off on those, this is just from memory. | I believe the original was actually with a Binson Echorec rather than a tape unit.
As for recreating it, I'd say you're going to need tremolo, delay, and reverb. I've got a clip that I posted a while back doing this song. It's not exact, but I was able to do it reasonably well with just two pedals (Boss FDR-1 and DD-20). The FDR-1 has the tremolo and reverb built in. The DD-20 was set to analog mode, with the tone turned down to about 10:00. Delay time about 300 ms Here it is
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08-14-2009, 02:45 PM
|  | prefers electric miles davis | | Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Los Angeles, CA | | this song makes me want tremolo  |
08-14-2009, 03:27 PM
| | | | I am aware that the studio recording has two basses; I find the Pompeii tone much more interesting.
I definitely don't have the means to get a Binson Echorec. I've tried both Boss digital delays, the MXR analog (which wasn't bad, just not everything I wanted), and a Rocktron MIDI-controlled unit. I already have a reverb pedal I love, and I've tried out a cheap trem pedal I love (both are Danelectro). But that leads me to the question of which delay would be the best approximation.
Maybe someone with way too many effects (and way too much time) can try to emulate the sound, and tell me what works? Believe me, I wish I could be the one to play around and find out. |
08-14-2009, 03:33 PM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Rhode Island, USA | | Quote:
Originally Posted by Godbody I am aware that the studio recording has two basses; I find the Pompeii tone much more interesting.
I definitely don't have the means to get a Binson Echorec. I've tried both Boss digital delays, the MXR analog (which wasn't bad, just not everything I wanted), and a Rocktron MIDI-controlled unit. I already have a reverb pedal I love, and I've tried out a cheap trem pedal I love (both are Danelectro). But that leads me to the question of which delay would be the best approximation.
Maybe someone with way too many effects (and way too much time) can try to emulate the sound, and tell me what works? Believe me, I wish I could be the one to play around and find out. | When you say both Boss digital delays, which ones are you talking about? The DD-3, DD-7, or DD-20?
Listening to the Pompeii version, the delays are quite muddy. I'm not even sure if most analog delays are going to get quite that muddy. You might almost be better off going for a digital delay that has a tone knob. Like perhaps the Nova Delay/Repeater on analog mode, and turn the tone knob all the way down. |
08-14-2009, 03:48 PM
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Originally Posted by bigchiefbc When you say both Boss digital delays, which ones are you talking about? The DD-3, DD-7, or DD-20?
Listening to the Pompeii version, the delays are quite muddy. I'm not even sure if most analog delays are going to get quite that muddy. You might almost be better off going for a digital delay that has a tone knob. Like perhaps the Nova Delay/Repeater on analog mode, and turn the tone knob all the way down. | I've tried the DD-3 and DD-7 (I didn't know there was a DD-20  )
The Nova delay looks interesting... its also $250. Champagne taste on a Natural Ice pocketbook, I'm afraid. |
08-14-2009, 04:00 PM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Rhode Island, USA | | Quote:
Originally Posted by Godbody I've tried the DD-3 and DD-7 (I didn't know there was a DD-20 )
The Nova delay looks interesting... its also $250. Champagne taste on a Natural Ice pocketbook, I'm afraid. | No one buys pedals new anymore do they? 
I got my DD-20 in a trade, but I've seen them go in the 130-160 range.
The Nova Repeater is about 150 NEW, and probably has everything you need, though not quite as much as the Nova Delay. The ND tends to go for 150-180 used from what I've seen. |
08-14-2009, 04:12 PM
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Originally Posted by bigchiefbc I believe the original was actually with a Binson Echorec rather than a tape unit. |
Yes, that was it, I couldn't quite recall...
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08-14-2009, 06:17 PM
|  | Registered User | | Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Rochelle, Illinois | | I've been covering this song for a long time and I've never had any problem approximating the sound with any of several inexpensive digital multi FX units. (Zoom, Boss, Digitech). I've never needed a tremolo and the reverb is somewhat optional. I don't know where the idea of two basses comes from - maybe from Shine On You Crazy Diamond Part VI http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1X0cMt81ZX0
The ability to dial in the amount of delay and the number of repeats is crucial. The best unit I've used is the Digitech BP 200 and I've gotten good results (for the studio version) with a delay time of about 250 ms and repeat about 6 times before it fades. To cop the live versions (Pompeii or the later Gilmour/Pratt) set the delay time to about 300 ms and maybe 4 or 5 repeats.
Just for reference:
Studio - Meddle http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DQvG2...eature=related
Live - Pompeii http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YgvAw...eature=related
Live - Guy Pratt http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wTrNQ...eature=related
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08-14-2009, 06:42 PM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Rhode Island, USA | | Quote:
Originally Posted by hbarcat | I agree that you can approximate the delay with more or less any decent digital unit. But I can't imagine how you'd ever nail the middle section (leading up to the vocal line) without a tremolo |
08-14-2009, 06:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Godbody I've tried a handful of delays and always come away dissatisfied, but I know I want a pedal that can do EXACTLY this, for as little money as possible (cuz if you haven't heard, we're in a bit of a recession). | I use a Line 6 DM4 for my analog delay with mud...and you definitely need a tremolo pedal for the middle section...
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08-16-2009, 10:20 AM
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Endorsing Artist: Hiwatt UK | | Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Buenos Aires, Argentina | | Pompeii's version is quite different...
Delay time is a bit slower and it has just 2 repeats... The overall effect is not set too high.. i mean the signal is 70% dry, 30% wet.
There´s just a little overdrive, but i guess that´s caused by the hiwatts.
The tremolo must be in synch with the delay. and set the depth to the deepest point to make the chopper effect.
I guess the pompeii version lacks a lot of lows.. so you must eq the bass a bit
This is me playing One of these days.. but it´s like the original version http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3asdSgIAIiM
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08-16-2009, 10:27 AM
|  | Registered User | | Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Ellenwood,Ga. | | | I use the same delay for both sections of the song. Don't change anything but the way it's played.The main riff has a 6/8 feel,but the middle section is straight 4/4.IOW,you hit the string every 3rd time for the main riff,and every other time for the middle section.Try it.
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08-16-2009, 11:09 AM
|  | I took the one less traveled by | | Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Reims, Champagne, France | | | Any delay can do, really. And yes, a tremolo or pan is a must for the bridge. |
08-16-2009, 11:15 AM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Los Angeles | | | I believe you can get close with two delays, the first set to a faster delay and the second slower |
08-16-2009, 11:23 AM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Bowling Green, KY | | | I agree. Two analog delays (even the cheap Ibanez models) set differently will make it through the song pretty much spot on. Yeah, Tape Echo, or at least Tape Echo emulators will sound more like the original, but honestly, you'd be the only one that noticed.
As for the Trem, I would suggest the Empress or the Catalinbread above all, but something like the Boss or the Guyatone will do just fine if you don't want to put out too much cash.
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08-17-2009, 12:33 PM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Ellenwood,Ga. | | | Watch the "Echoes" version and pay close attention what Guy Pratt does.All he does is change his picking timing.The repeats have exactly the same time delay,just played differently.Been doing it for years,it works with a single delay.
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08-17-2009, 01:03 PM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Scotland | | | Its simple. Any delay set to 370ms should get that sound, just know when to hit and the polyrhythms start. Waters was using WEM and Hiwatt equipment by then, but I heard he used a HH head to get the scything square-wave trem. I can get the effect on a boss TR-2, and I can get the delay sound out of my Marshall Echohead on the Digital Setting though an analogue effect might add more dirt.
Remember to use a pick though and not be tempted to slap it like Guy Pratt did in the later Pink Floyd incarnations. Whilst Pratt is a much better bassist than Waters he tends to over-engineer the old stuff. Waters was tone deaf and needed assistance tuning his bass! | | Thread Tools | Search this Thread | | | | 
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