Ons on/One off?

[behndy]

howdy all. trying to figure out an easy way, with out getting into a big looper setup, to turn off one pedal when i switch the other on.

i have a song where i want to go from having a Heliotrope on to a Pickle Pie B at a measure change. there's no break between the measures.

the pedalboard setup is pretty basic, and i'm trying to keep it as simple as possible. it's a straight signal path through all pedals with a SansAmp Bass DI at the end of the signal chain. and if there's a TINY pedal for this = AWESOME. i'm trying to keep almost everything MXR or smaller sized.

any suggestions?

thanks!

[paradigm_shift]

Have each of the effects in a loop and swap from one to the other. I believe a Ls-2 could do this for you

[cheapbasslovin]

LS-2 is a good option.

If you loath the LS-2 buffer, then this will also do what you want, but it isn't as small as you were hoping.

http://www.badgereffects.com/electro.html

It allows you to set up your series loops as:

Both on
One on and one off
Both off

and then with a tap of the middle switch it changes the state of both loops at the same time. My only problem with it is the layout of the switches. You need much care or dainty feet to make it work.

[behndy]

i've never played with an LS-2. i hear great things tho. i'll check that out.

i was thinking something goofy like an A/B switch, but i can't think of any way to do that. probably a dumb idea.

i know people love that blender with the yin yang on it... are there any smaller looper pedals?

thanks!

[megadan]

You have two feet, right?

[jrmy]

I have this same issue throughout my bands set, since I'm pretty effects-centric. That said, I've dealt with it by planning out my board setup so my most-commonly switched-between pedals are always less than a foot away from each other, to facilitate quick tapdancing. I've also noticed that people never notice if you don't transition between pedals simultaneously (as long as you do it really quickly).

[cheapbasslovin]

Originally Posted by behndy

i've never played with an LS-2. i hear great things tho. i'll check that out.

i was thinking something goofy like an A/B switch, but i can't think of any way to do that. probably a dumb idea.

i know people love that blender with the yin yang on it... are there any smaller looper pedals?

thanks!

The Xotic Xblender (yin yang) only has one loop on it, as do most blenders, so it wont let you switch back and forth. You'll likely not find something smaller than an LS2 that will do what you need. But if you use an LS-2 it will eliminate the possibility of running the heliotrope and PP in series. If that isn't a problem, then you're in good shape with it.

The problem with fitting such a contraption into a MXR sized box it that you need to cram 6 jacks and at least one switch into a tinyish box. Not an easy task if you're trying to keep functionality. Maybe I should try to make one .

[Reeneo]

i have this problem and its only for one song in the set we do, what i did is arrange the pedals so the two are next to each other and then i got short small bit of wood drilled a little bit into it at each end to "Cup" the switches then but it on the switches before the song. bam instant on for one pedal off for another.

i can still turn them on/off individually with the wood on the switches but have knocked it off a couple of times so wouldn't do it live.

anyway. get a looper if you can, get wood otherwise.

i'll post pics when i get home if you want.

[Unrepresented]

Originally Posted by Reeneo

i have this problem and its only for one song in the set we do, what i did is arrange the pedals so the two are next to each other and then i got short small bit of wood drilled a little bit into it at each end to "Cup" the switches then but it on the switches before the song. bam instant on for one pedal off for another.

i can still turn them on/off individually with the wood on the switches but have knocked it off a couple of times so wouldn't do it live.

anyway. get a looper if you can, get wood otherwise.

i'll post pics when i get home if you want.

I did a similar thing at a recording session a while back to achieve all the effect changes live only mine involved my drummer.

[behndy]

good answers all.

yeah, i don't really like the PPB into the Heliotrope, so non-parralel between those would be fine. there's somebody selling a LS-2 on CL near me for $65. i might try to pick it up after i see if moving pedals around will give me enough room.

so, this wouldna work for what i'm trying to do..... http://www.zcatpedals.com/?dir=view&...10290108414IHj ?

'cause that's the right size. not a huge fan of the color tho. lol... if i was manufacturing pedals, i would NOT make them all the same size box and same color. that's just.... a disaster waiting to happen live.

ruh... and no.... dainty feet i have not. i'm about 6'4" and wear 13's.

thanks all!

[Wren and Cuff]

a basic a/b box (even without the "Y") and a tuner, delay, or any buffered signal splitter and you can do it.
Let me know if you need it explained.

[behndy]

Megadan -

huh... i DO have two feet.

*clicks both simultaneously*

wow! this works really, really well! i never eve-GAHH!

*falls on a$$ spectacularly*

... two feet....... no balance.... bad combo.

lol... DON'T think i'm gonna give THAT a try.

thanks tho?

[behndy]

huh.... i get all caught up in trying to figure out the perfect and "correct" way to do stuff sometimes that i don't thing to try the way that has an acceptable amount of error in it.

just ran through the song i was worried about a couple times and going from the Heliotrope on, to the the Heliotrope and (love you matt!) Pickle Pie B on for the 1 or 2 beats it takes to switch off the Heliotrope so just the Pickler PiePie is running works just fine for live use. tiny bit of messiness that gets lost in the mix.

neat! didna want to give up any real estate on the pedalboard.

that said, how would you wire what you were talking about Mr Wren and Magical Cuff? i do have a Planet Waves Tuner on the board (that i'm going to swap with a Pitch Black i think) and an EHX Switchblade laying around somewhere.

*props head in hands*

murrrrrrrr?

[NateS]

1) put the two pedals next to each other
2) turn foot sideways
3)press down with toe and heel
4) turn one on, one off

[/sarcastic post]

I wonder how small an enclosure would need to be to hold 6 jacks, a switch, and maybe 2 leds...

[Broadbent]

Originally Posted by megadan

You have two feet, right?

Exactly.

If this guy can do this with his feet.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RjSN_jEORfk

you should be able to turn one pedal on and the other one off at the same time.

[Wren and Cuff]

Here ya go. One caveat: the a/b box must be a simple true bypass mechanical box. Can't be a boss line selector etc.

Thing to remember is that a mechanical a/b box can be used backwards just as easy as forward. so you just think in reverse with regards to the a/b. This isn't even a half-a$$ed way to do it. Electronically its perfectly acceptable due to the boss tuner (or other) pedal being buffered.

Also, the a/b box in's are labeled "out 1" and "out 2" because this is most likely what would be marked on any store-bought a/b box.



good luck!

[NateS]

Originally Posted by Wren and Cuff

Here ya go. One caveat: the a/b box must be a simple true bypass mechanical box. Can't be a boss line selector etc.

Thing to remember is that a mechanical a/b box can be used backwards just as easy as forward. so you just think in reverse with regards to the a/b. This isn't even a half-a$$ed way to do it. Electronically its perfectly acceptable due to the boss tuner (or other) pedal being buffered.

Also, the a/b box in's are labeled "out 1" and "out 2" because this is most likely what would be marked on any store-bought a/b box.



good luck!

you're a genius. I actually forgot about this way...i used something similar for my effect chain for a while..

[behndy]

huh. very nice!

thanks.... i might try that tonight.

thanks!

[St Drogo]

A plank. Seriously. I was in your situation once (had to turn on one effect whilst turning the other on off) and I used a 2x4 over the buttons. One step, 2 pedals off, one on.

I don't believe in spending money