Order of these specific Effects.

[stflbn]

From research I think I'm close... and I realize much is up to personal taste...

Here's the victims that I currently have or are on their way to me.



• Undecided on the TC NM1 being before or after the Comp.
• Typically I've used Octave after Comp, but going to try it before.

Any other thoughts on order of this combination of effects?

[CopperheadLXXIX]

Personally, I'd do POG>Envelope Filter>Compressor>Mod

[MattS]

If I had these rad pedals and were setting up a board/pedal order for these effects, I would go:

Compressor>MicroPOG>Envelope Filter>TC NM1

By the Way, Have you played with the EHX MicroPOG yet? If so, how is it? I have the EHX Octave Multiplexer and I love it, but was always wondering how the POG is?

[godblender]

Originally Posted by CopperheadLXXIX

Personally, I'd do POG>Envelope Filter>Compressor>Mod

^ This

[RickenBoogie]

..and I agree with: Compressor>MicroPOG>Envelope Filter>TC NM1

[stflbn]

But if the compressor controls the peaks of the envelope, how can you expressively control the quack of the envelope via your playing? Depends on how much you have the compressor working.

[loopmantra]

why not putting the compressor before everything else? this way you have controled,balanced sound without spikes,or at least,audible spikes

[crguti]

bass pedals are weird.. compared to guitar pedals.
the best sound I can get is using an overdrive -> compressor -> envelope filter .... I know, it isn't standard signal chain, but after several attemps this pedal order gave me the best sound.
If you have a few pedals, it doesn't hurt to try all possible combinations.

[stflbn]

Ok, I submit. To much guessing and not enough experienced explanation as to why a specific order.

I'll just wait until I get everything Friday and try different orders.

Thanks for trying.


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[CopperheadLXXIX]

Sorry that my explanation wasn't detailed, so I'll try and break it down how I see it:

It might be ok to put the envelope filter after the compressor, but if you do happen to use really heavy compression at any point, it can kill the dynamics of the envelope. If your octaver were analog as opposed to a POG, I'd say drop the compressor first in that case, but the POG is very, very forgiving for tracking, but still probably best to put first in line so you are "octaving" a clean signal as opposed to octaving a chorused and/or filtered signal.

Hope that makes sense.

[stflbn]

And that makes sense.

Thanks.


I think initially I'll probably try PoG > Envp > Comp > Chorus/Phase

[madurolover]

Compressor>MicroPOG>Envelope Filter>TC NM1

[stflbn]

I'm pretty sure I want the dynamic control over the Envelope via my fingers, and to let the compressor have it's way with the signal after that. I'm going to try it with compressor first also, but feel I'll be losing dynamic control of the Envelope by doing so.

[Smallequestrian]

You don't want a compressor before your envelope, espescially since you are going to be running any dirt before the envelope filter. It will be "hard" already to open the envelope, taking away some of your dynamics with the compressor won't make things better.

Also, any reason you are ditching the M5 in favor of the uPOG. I like the Smart Harmony patches much more than the uPOG and there is so much extra utility to be had with the M5.

[stflbn]

I use no dirt... or historically have only very rarely. This pedal board incarnation will include no dirt, so the possibility goes to 0% as my Markbass F500 doesn't understand dirt production.

I mainly use octaves up and down, so the smart harmony things didn't get used by me. I do like the PoG's ability to be Polyphonic though for times when I may use a simplistic 3 note cord or hold a root and octave both while the PoG is on.

Mainly I wanted to add some decent Envelope effects for the funk dance tunes we do, and the M5's envelopes are horrid for bass IMHO, or at least very inflexible. So once I started looking at adding the Source Audio Bass Envelope that turned into a snowball of 'well hell... might as well just go to individual units if I'm not using one for all".

That's the intent.

[lowfreq33]

My general preferences are :

Envelope filter before compressor.
Compressor before dirt.
Octave after compressor before dirt.

[JohnDavisNYC]

POG> Filter > Modulation > Compressor

john

[stflbn]

Thanks john... I don't expect to hear a big difference between the order of Modulation > Compressor or Compressor > Modulation. Will be interesting to see if there's much noticeable difference, but that's what it's down to fiddling about ahead of time. Envelope filter shows up tomorrow and rest Friday, so there will be time to get a few presets setup in the Envp Pro before the reset shows up. THe PoG's pretty basic as far as what it does so it's not a big change.

[JohnDavisNYC]

the reason i would say compression last, is that i know i personally use some modulation effects (like aggressive detuning or flanging) that can boost the signal a little, and i like the sound of a hot signal hitting the compressor a little harder... so much of it depends on setting and musical style, too.

compressor at the end helps to glue all the effects together and even out the dynamic differences, and i guess my approach stems from more of a recording engineer mentality than a stomp box mentality.

john

[lowfreq33]

I like my dirt after the compressor so I can set my dirt louder if I want, which the comp would counteract.