other delays with filter like EHX SMMH?

T-bolt · #1 09-10-2008, 01:11 PM

I just got an EHX Stereo Memory Man with Hazarai, and while I find the filter, tap tempo, & programabilty useful I'm getting a case of buyers remorse. There's lots of weird trippy effects available, but it doesn't feel all that organic to me for some reason. I'm also pretty disappointed with the fact I can't do "UFO" sound effects by turning the delay time knobk, since it just cancels any delays going. I also wish there were delay subdivision options.

Ultimately though, I think that the ability to introduce a high-pass filter to the repeats to reduce muddiness on bass is most important. I might just keep the SMMH, but are there any other delay pedals with this option that I should consider?

RickenBoogie · #2 09-10-2008, 01:12 PM

Sounds like you want an analog delay.

bassteban · #3 09-10-2008, 01:15 PM

I also wish my SMMH would go all UFO w/speed tweakage. The DL-4 does this IIRC, & has some nice filtered delays. I essentially replaced my DL-4 w/the SMMH but I may waffle on it. And yes, of course a good analog delay will definitely do the best(IMO)spacey stuff.

Jazz Ad · #4 09-10-2008, 01:26 PM

RCCollins · #5 09-10-2008, 01:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Jazz Ad

Looks great but I don't see a filter on it!

Jazz Ad · #6 09-10-2008, 01:33 PM

There is none but it does everything the former poster wants to achieve.

RCCollins · #7 09-10-2008, 01:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Jazz Ad

There is none but it does everything the former poster wants to achieve.

All except for his main point.

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Originally Posted by T-Bolt

Ultimately though, I think that the ability to introduce a high-pass filter to the repeats to reduce muddiness on bass is most important. I might just keep the SMMH, but are there any other delay pedals with this option that I should consider?

bongomania · #8 09-10-2008, 02:03 PM

I think the confusion there came about because so many modern delays include a low-pass filter to cause muddiness as in imitation of an analog delay. Sort of dyslexic reading then.

bassteban · #9 09-10-2008, 02:11 PM

The Tech 21 Boost D.L.A. has a tone(a flter, yes?)& flutter(modulation)knob. I will now search & see if there's any info here on these guys...

speak_onion · #10 09-10-2008, 02:32 PM

Yeah, I also love that filter feature on the SMMH. To me, it sounds more like tape delay when you turn the filter knob clockwise, so maybe take a listen to some tape-delay emulators and see if those float your boat. Headrush, Echo Park, RE-20, Digitech DL-8. . .

thrash_jazz · #11 09-10-2008, 02:33 PM

It's not a pedal... but the Korg Kaoss Pad will do it.

JanusZarate · #12 09-10-2008, 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by RickenBoogie

Sounds like you want an analog delay.

...with a tone knob AND modulation.

I can't think of any analog delay with a tone knob... unless it's some boutique monstrosity I haven't seen yet.

On second thought... the Tech 21 Boost D.L.A. may really be what you're looking for. I'm under the impression that it's fully analog and will behave like an analog delay when tweaked.

Honestly though, if he's concerned about mud, I think he needs to carefully consider his analog options. Many of them will not have the sound he wants if he's concerned with clarity.

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Originally Posted by bongomania

I think the confusion there came about because so many modern delays include a low-pass filter to cause muddiness as in imitation of an analog delay. Sort of dyslexic reading then.

True.

The SMMH's Filter knob is really a finely programmed Tone knob. It'd be a mistake to call it just a high-pass filter, since it can also do low-pass. The tone is untouched at 12:00, but rolls off treble when turned CCW and rolls off bass when turned CW. This is different than the usual EHX tone knob (i.e., the "mid-scooping" one on the Big Muff).

T-bolt · #13 09-10-2008, 03:12 PM

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Sounds like you want an analog delay.

Ideally yes, though as stated the natural effect of analog darkens the tone. Analog isn't necessary though to have fun with the delay time knob, I used to have an old Ibanez DDL10 that could it fine.

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The Tech 21 Boost D.L.A. has a tone(a flter, yes?)& flutter(modulation)knob. I will now search & see if there's any info here on these guys...

I'll look into that, though its probably a low-pass filter....

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I can't think of any analog delay with a tone knob... unless it's some boutique monstrosity I haven't seen yet.

There's the WAY too expensive Diamond Memory Lane that's basically my guitarist's dream pedal. Its got an knob that acts as a "tilt" EQ, whatever that means. I dunno if I want to drop $600+ on it though.

gwx014 · #14 09-10-2008, 03:18 PM

How about the Empress SuperDelay? I'm pretty sure the TC Electronic Nova Delay can do it as well.

bongomania · #15 09-10-2008, 03:35 PM

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Originally Posted by MysticBoo

I can't think of any analog delay with a tone knob... unless it's some boutique monstrosity I haven't seen yet.

...But the tone knob there is just a passive treble rolloff like on a passive bass.

bongomania · #16 09-10-2008, 03:37 PM

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Originally Posted by T-bolt

Its got an knob that acts as a "tilt" EQ, whatever that means.

A tilting EQ is one where when you turn the knob to left, it boosts lows and cuts highs, and turn the knob right, it cuts lows and boosts highs.

bkbirge · #17 09-10-2008, 03:45 PM

My RE-301 Space Echo will do the high pass thing though I think that is more a function of old tape/dirty heads than design. My Pigtronix Echolution has a nice adjustable low pass that I like. I still like the Lexicon Super Prime Time the best though.

Jimbob Jones · #18 09-10-2008, 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by bongomania

A tilting EQ is one where when you turn the knob to left, it boosts lows and cuts highs, and turn the knob right, it cuts lows and boosts highs.

Is that what the LBM has?

funkalicious101 · #19 09-10-2008, 07:27 PM

No one has mentioned the Damage Control TimeLine yet, it has everything you are looking for.

T-bolt · #20 09-10-2008, 10:36 PM

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No one has mentioned the Damage Control TimeLine yet, it has everything you are looking for.

Unless I'm reading the user manuals online wrong, the TimeLine & TC Nova Delay only have a filter that goes from bright/clear (digital) to warm/dark (analog/tape sim). I'm looking for a filter that can take out the lows on repeats, not just the highs.

The Empress SuperDelay is cool but it looks like the filter control is just a switch rather than a knob that you can dial in a sound with.

I'm going to try out the Eventide Timefactor tomorrow. Its quite expensive as well but has so many features including a high/low/bandpass delay that's very tweakable. Its got MIDI as well, which is good since I also play keys/synth. My other idea is to keep the SMMH and get an MXR Carbon Copy as a second pedal.