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Old 11-16-2007, 03:07 PM
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Outboard pre before or after my effects?

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I'm wondering if having an outboard preamp to boost the bass and treble of my passive J will effect my effect signal differently if it's before or after my effects (say that 10 times fast!). Will it make a difference? I was thinking of getting a Sadowsky outboard pre but I'd have to put it after my effects chain if I want to use the DI out on the Sadowsky pedal. Wouldn't it be best if I have the preamp before my effects to push the signal of my passive bass through the chain? Discuss....
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if you amp hasa di I'd put the pedal before and put the effects in the effects loop tthe send a clean signal from the DI to the sound man and a wet signal from your amps DI.

voila best of bothe worlds. and the sound guy can mix as he sees fit ( or even just sent the claen signal to the subs..... either way you win.
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Old 11-16-2007, 03:16 PM
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True....but I'm suspect of the DI from my amp...it gave me problems once many months ago and I havn't used it since. I'd have to just pick up a Countryman or something to use instead....yeah, I guess I could do that if I have to.
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Old 11-16-2007, 03:22 PM
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Most effects pedals are designed for an instrument level signal (before the preamp) and don't need to have the signal "pushed" through them. Some pedals work fine with at line level (post preamp), but others don't. If you want the effects sound in your DI signal, it will need to be at the end of your effects chain.
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Old 11-16-2007, 03:26 PM
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Ok, makes sense to me and it's what I was thinking as well....however, what about the added low end the preamp will give me? Maybe I'm over thinking this, but when I use my OC2 octave pedal...would it preform better with the added bass boost before or after the pedal?...or any other effect for that matter.....is adding the eq before going to make a difference over adding it after....I'm not concerned about the gain but more the bass boost....
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Soundwise, it is definitely a difference, since you'd either be feeding an altered signal with a different output and impedance to your effects, or altering the entire chain with preamp coloration at the end. You'll have to try out both.

Whichever you prefer sonically is up to you, but if you want to use the DI, it's more complicated.

I looked at the preamp specs, and I can't tell if the Tuner Out is a pure clean out, or colored like the other outputs. I'm guessing it's clean, so you may have a useful total bypass option there if you want to keep an uncolored parallel effects/amp chain to go along with a Sadowsky-colored clean signal.

With that in mind, you have several combinations you can play with:
  • You can run the Sadowsky preamp at the beginning, as if it were an onboard preamp, and feed your entire chain with that signal. This can be advantageous since your effects will be given the "Sadowsky sound" (whatever that is... ). You could also run a parallel DI signal that would just be the preamp at work, to mix with your amp's normal signal. But if you're playing gigs without an amp, it won't do you any good.
  • You could use the Sadowsky preamp at the end of the effects chain. The effects will sound much different when they're on than if the Sadowsky had been at the beginning (since it's coloring the effects, rather than the effects coloring it), but you might like it. The major advantage here (ignoring sound) is that you have a DI to play amp-free gigs, or to run parallel channels (post-effects DI, parallel to a post-amp mic or DI) into the PA.
  • You could place it somewhere in the middle of your chain, for the option of some unusual and creative parallel signal paths. Not recommend for someone who adores the KI.S.S. philosophy.
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Old 11-16-2007, 05:44 PM
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Here is my current board. Sorry for a bad pic.
I use Sadowsky DI at the end of the board and send the DI directly to PA, bypassing entire rig which I can use only as my personal monitor with full freedom to EQ it the way best suited to match the stage acoustics.

As I needed the effected signal in the PA, the Sad placement was the only option for me. All the pedals track very well with a signal directly from either passive or active bass, there is no need to juice it up with preamp.

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Pretend it's a Sadowsky bass at the beginning of the chain...

For my passive basses, I put the Sadowsky pedal at the front of the chain before the effects and run the DI from the amp. That way it's the right setting when I run my Sadowsky bass (with on-board) and I don't need to change all of the effect input/output settings.
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