overdrive/fuzz quest

[JimmyM]

Originally Posted by MSUsousaphone

Some of you guys have some fine *** expensive amps to be looking at cheap pedals. That's kinda like getting WalMart brand tires on your Ferrari....even if it's a muddy Ferrari....but if you're going to spend money on a high end amp, you gotta shell out the cash to get quality pedals. Otherwise you're just cheapening the sound of that expensive guy.

It'd be like seeing someone play amazingly high end pedals through a Behringer.

Bah...no matter how much of a tube snob I am, there will always be room for a cheap pedal that delivers.

[Stumbo]

How about one of these: They come up for sale sometimes.

Seymour Duncan has some new BlueTube pedals out.

[johnk_10]

Originally Posted by JimmyM

Bah...no matter how much of a tube snob I am, there will always be room for a cheap pedal that delivers.

i agree 100%. my buddy Rusty (macca's lead guitarist since '99) has been using a whole slew of pedals for years. we've always gone by the thought of whatever it takes to get the tone that you're looking for, and it doesn't matter if it's a cheap or a boutique one.

but i gotta say, now that i have the greedtone, my 'overdrive/fuzz QUEST' is over.

[father of fires]

Originally Posted by Stumbo

How about one of these: They come up for sale sometimes.

Seymour Duncan has some new BlueTube pedals out.

I recorded with one of these before. I went to a used music shop today and played a Dean Markley Overlord (Blue Tube/ Tube Driver Copy). I've heard these were crappy but I thought it sounded great. They wanted too much for it so I'm gonna look for a deal on a Tube Driver-ish pedal.

[johnk_10]

if you're looking for a tube driver-ish pedal, i can recommend the digitech bad monkry and then perform the md and bass mods. IMO, they are really good OD pedals after they've been modded for bass. i like it better than my modded TS9 tube screamer (which is also pretty darn good)

[karter2000]

Originally Posted by johnk_10

well, after A/B'ing the Greedtone with my tube sound fuzz, the Greedtone smokes it.

clips to folow soon.

I'm not suggesting we reverse-engineer the Greedtone as per freestompboxes.org, but it would be interesting to compare the cap and resistor values of your TSF and the Greedtone.

[johnk_10]

i thought the exact same thing.

i'm going to have a look at them tomorrow to see the differences and if there are, i'm going to mod my old TSF to the GT's values.

[father of fires]

Originally Posted by johnk_10

if you're looking for a tube driver-ish pedal, i can recommend the digitech bad monkry and then perform the md and bass mods. IMO, they are really good OD pedals after they've been modded for bass. i like it better than my modded TS9 tube screamer (which is also pretty darn good)

Are you confusing the Butler Tube Driver with an Ibanez Tube Screamer? For TS9 tones I built a Moody Hartd Mueller (spelling?) that sounds pretty good. The tone stack has a nice low mid hump and it doesn't lose any low end.

[father of fires]

Originally Posted by johnk_10

i thought the exact same thing.

i'm going to have a look at them tomorrow to see the differences and if there are, i'm going to mod my old TSF to the GT's values.

Could you try the Greedtone after a buffered pedal and let me know if there any more highs. That GT doesn't look like it has a buffered front end which is a little bit of a problem for me.

The TSF has a lowish input impedance which forces me to put it in front of my signal chain to keeps the highs in check.

I prefer my pedals to have a consistent sound no matter where they are in the signal chain.

Or I could just wait a few days until mine comes in and report back.

[DeltaPhoenix]

Originally Posted by johnk_10

i agree 100%. my buddy Rusty (macca's lead guitarist since '99) has been using a whole slew of pedals for years. we've always gone by the thought of whatever it takes to get the tone that you're looking for, and it doesn't matter if it's a cheap or a boutique one.

but i gotta say, now that i have the greedtone, my 'overdrive/fuzz QUEST' is over.

Well it seems that the cheap pedals may have been okay but it took something really nice to end the hunt.....

[jucas]

Originally Posted by johnk_10

i thought the exact same thing.

i'm going to have a look at them tomorrow to see the differences and if there are, i'm going to mod my old TSF to the GT's values.

The extra op-amp in your tsf... I could be wrong but I don't remember a version thats more than a 4049. Is it just an input buffer/gain stage?

Originally Posted by MSUsousaphone

Some of you guys have some fine *** expensive amps to be looking at cheap pedals. That's kinda like getting WalMart brand tires on your Ferrari....even if it's a muddy Ferrari....but if you're going to spend money on a high end amp, you gotta shell out the cash to get quality pedals. Otherwise you're just cheapening the sound of that expensive guy.

It'd be like seeing someone play amazingly high end pedals through a Behringer.

Don't really agree with that. Plenty of cheap pedals that sound great, and lots of expensive pedals that are questionably built and don't sound any better. The components are essentially going to be the same either way so more money doesn't necessraily mean more quality. (with possible exceptions for some digital multi-effects)

[father of fires]

Originally Posted by jucas

The extra op-amp in your tsf... I could be wrong but I don't remember a version thats more than a 4049. Is it just an input buffer/gain stage?

Don't really agree with that. Plenty of cheap pedals that sound great, and lots of expensive pedals that are questionably built and don't sound any better. The components are essentially going to be the same either way so more money doesn't necessraily mean more quality. (with possible exceptions for some digital multi-effects)

Craig redesigned it for a Guitar Player article some years later.

Edit: To answer your question. That redesign included an opamp boost on the front end.

[johnk_10]

Originally Posted by father of fires

Are you confusing the Butler Tube Driver with an Ibanez Tube Screamer? For TS9 tones I built a Moody Hartd Mueller (spelling?) that sounds pretty good. The tone stack has a nice low mid hump and it doesn't lose any low end.

yeah, i was confusing the two. i was mixing up the ibanez tube screamer/ boss blues driver. i had a chandler rackmount tube driver for years, which IIRC, was similar to a tube driver but it wasn't my cup 'o' tea.

here's a pic of it:

[johnk_10]

Originally Posted by father of fires

Could you try the Greedtone after a buffered pedal and let me know if there any more highs. That GT doesn't look like it has a buffered front end which is a little bit of a problem for me.

The TSF has a lowish input impedance which forces me to put it in front of my signal chain to keeps the highs in check.

I prefer my pedals to have a consistent sound no matter where they are in the signal chain.

Or I could just wait a few days until mine comes in and report back.

well, the greedtone works very well in the loop so i would assume that it would also work well with a buffered pedal in front of it. by the same token, my TSF doesn't work very well in the loop at all, and in or out of the loop it has a lot more noise/hiss than the GT.

[johnk_10]

i stated a few posts back that the SFX-11 could get very close to the Greedtone's tone, so to demonstrate that, i just made this quick clip comparing the two. the Greedtone has a bit more mid bass and transparency (and is ALOT easier to dial in) but, IMO, the SFX-11 can sound pretty darn close to it. the gain knob on the GT was at about 1/3 of the way up in this clip (mild overdrive).

the GT is first and the SFX-11 is the second part:

Greedtone/SFX-11

[ampegfuzz]

That is the neatest thing ever!

[johnk_10]

i got this one out today that was given to me by Dave Hidalgo (Los Lobos) 20 years ago. i've never seen another on like it anywhere. he got it when they were touring Japan. it actually sounds REALLY good on bass and guitar (there's no loss of low end). it looks like a silicon fuzz face circuit to me (and basically sounds like one too). the funny thing is, it still operates as the friction powered toy that they made it out of.

[arthur31686]

Haha Whoa now there's some casing the boutique builders of the internet age need to hop on.

[bassboysam]

Originally Posted by johnk_10

but i gotta say, now that i have the greedtone, my 'overdrive/fuzz QUEST' is over.

If I had a nickel...

Let us know in 6 months

[JimmyM]

I'd be afraid if I stomped on the footswitch that it would drive itself off my pedalboard