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Old 03-23-2008, 12:45 PM
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Since I've accumulated and used various pres over the years and since folks are frequently looking for opinions on them, I figured I'd take a stab at reviewing the various ones I've owned. Keep in mind that these are reviewed based upon my tastes and preferences, but I hope some can find this to be helpful.





1. Sansamp Bass Driver DI

Features:
- Level
- Blend – Allows you to dial in as much of the “tube” character as desired
- Treble
- Bass
- Drive – allows you to dial in relatively mild and subtle overdrive
- Presence – for definition in the higher frequencies.
- Two ¼” outputs
- DI out

Basics:
This pedal is actually my “MVP” pedal. If I were forced to take only one pedal to a gig, it would be this one. Tonally, it gives me usable, versatile settings for fingerstyle and slapping and, even though it doesn’t feature a mid adjust, it is voiced quite evenly across the spectrum. You can “boost” or “cut” the mids by dialing the treble and bass up or down. I’m typically a flat EQ guy, so I keep the bass and treble dialed at 12:00. I also keep the “Presence” dialed at 12:00, but a twist to the right brings out some nice, modern tones.

The “Drive” is nice and subtle, which I prefer, as I don’t like heavy OD, distortion or fuzz. If you want heavy distortion, you should look into a separate distortion pedal. I keep mine set at about 9:00 – 10:00, which gives just a hint of OD.

The “Blend” feature allows you to dial up the tube character - the greater the clockwise turn, the greater the degree of character. Be careful, however, as extreme settings result in serious mid cut and you will get lost in the mix. I keep my set at about 10:00.

The DI is quite good, when possible, I use it as my main DI (when I’m not running straight from my amp).

I also have the RBI version and, save for the lack of mid adjustment, this pedal compares quite favorably.

Pros:
- Super versatile
- Well built
- LOTS of usable tones
- Good DI
- Simple interface
- Parallel outs

Cons:
- No mid adjustment
- The “Blend” feature, at least for me, is only good (for me) when set to, at most, 10:00-12:00. Anything past that and I get lost in the mix in a band setting.


2. MXR M-80

Features:
- Distortion channel with gain, volume, and blend control
- Noise Gate
- Color knob
- Bass
- Mid
- Treble
- Phantom power
- 1/4" and XLR outs
- Parallel output jack
- DC adapter capable


Basics:
This pedal is actually my LEAST favorite of the preamp pedals I’ve owned. To me, this pedal is sterile and unexciting, tonally, though it does possess some nice features. In fact, I have never gotten a sound that I liked out of this pedal.

The Distortion is just too fuzzy and unusable for me, even though it features a “Blend” knob and separate volume controls. It’s as if they had all the right ideas, but the execution fell short.

The clean EQ personality is, frankly, pretty lifeless. By that, I mean that I could not dial in anything that gave me the sound that I prefer, personally. But then, if you’ve read my review of the BDDI above, you know what my tonal preferences are, and, simply put, I just couldn’t get “my” sound with this pedal. It’s almost as if this pedal actually “dulled” my sound.

The DI is nice, however, and the construction is rock solid – something I always expect from MXR anyway.

I tried, repeatedly, to get what I wanted, tonally and from a distortion effect perspective, but I was never successful. The recordings I made with this pedal produced my least favorite of any tones I’ve committed to tape.

Pros:
- Well built
- Good DI
- Nice set of features
- Pedal is labeled well
- Mid adjustment
- Parallel outs
- Phantom power
- DC adapter capable

Cons:
- I did not care for the tones, clean or otherwise. In the end, that’s what matters most to me.




3. Fodera 2000 (the old one without the DI)

Features:
- Volume
- Bass boost
- Mid boost
- Treble boost
- Mid cut
- 1/4" out
- 18v powered


Basics:
I sold this pedal a couple of years ago and I miss it. No, it’s not a DI pedal and no, it doesn’t possess a lot of features, but what it DOES feature are highly usable tones. I loved this pedal and regret selling it, frankly. Not a whole lot to say because, again, there are few features on this pedal, other than to state the fact that this pedal really gave me a bunch of tones that I liked and used, be it of modern or vintage nature. The bass, treble and mid are all boost only, but the mid can be cut, thanks top the mid cut switch.

One rather glaring feature that was missing from this pedal was an indicator light. It would have been nice to have had one or two, especially for live performances when you don’t always know if your mids have been cut, thanks to stage noise, etc.

The newer version of this pedal features a DI out and DC adapter capability. The old one only allowed battery power and, at that, you had to unscrew the entire bottom plate in order to access the two 9-volt batteries(!). On the plus side, battery life is RIDICULOUSLY long in this pedal. Be forewarned, however, as the “low battery” indicator light is hard to see.

The knobs are easy to see, but, compared to the MXR and Sansamp, they appear to be at least slightly more prone to damage. I never had a problem with them, but it is worth noting.

Pros:
- Well built
- GREAT tones and a nice variety
- Mid adjustment
- Mid cut switch

Cons:
- No DI (new model features a DI)
- No DC adapter capability (new model features DC power)
- Boost only (this may not really be a con, but it needs to be considered and the mid can be cut, thanks to the switch)
- No indicator light to alert when active or when mid is cut
- No parallel out



4. Sadowsky Bass Preamp/DI

Features:
- Volume
- Bass boost
- Treble boost
- Mute
- Tuner out
- DI out
- 1/4" out
- DC adapter capable
- Ground lift


Basics:
After searching for another Fodera 2000 recently and after coming to the realization that the market rate for the Fodera was more than I could justify, I “settled” on the Sadowsky. Fortunately for me, this was anything BUT a compromise. This pedal gives some of the nicest tones I’ve experienced in a pedal and it makes my passive basses “sizzle”. In fact, this pedal actually made me wish that more of my basses were either passive or allowed for passive/active switching so that I could use it with more of them! My MTD Kingston, which features a Bartolini pickup and preamp, allows for switching to passive, so I now bypass the Bart pre in favor of this pedal.

Because it’s boost only, you don’t need to twist the knobs too far, otherwise you may saturate your sound a bit (but some like that, so that’s fine). I keep the treble at about 10:00 and the bass at about 9:00. Sadly, there is no mid adjustment for this, but hell – you can’t have everything, right?

Other nice features include tuner out, mute and a quick access battery compartment on the side. I have yet to use the DI, so I can’t comment on it.

Pros:
- Well built
- GREAT tones and a nice variety
- Tuner out and mute features
- Quick access battery compartment
- Nice, bright indicator lights

Cons:
- No mid adjustment
- Boost only (this may not really be a con, but it needs to be considered)
- No parallel out



5. Hartke VXL Bass Attack

Features:
- Level
- Bass
- Treble
- Harmonics – allows you to dial in OD
- Shape – allows tone shaping adjustments
- Mix
- Brite
- DI out with pre/post
- Two 1/4" out
- DC adapter capable
- Ground lift and phantom power


Basics:
Okay, this pedal provided me with a pleasant surprise. Yes, Hartke often takes a beating on these boards and, truth be told, I’ve never been the biggest Hartke fan myself (just personal preference). However, for the price (and this is key), it is hard to beat this little gem.

The “Harmonics” knob allows you to dial in some nice, gritty drive while maintaining clarity, especially when used in conjunction with the “Shape” knob, which allows utilization of the Hartke shape circuitry. Instead of simply adding “fuzz” or noise, the Harmonics feature provides a rather convincing and usable OD effect. I typically set the “Harmonics” to around 11:00 and the “Shape” to around 12:00, at most.

The “Brite” knob can be quite “zingy”, if that’s your thing, and I keep mine set at around 12:00. I keep the Bass and Treble set at around 12:00 as well. One thing to keep in mind, though – even with “On/Off” and “Shape” set to the off positions, the EQ is always on. This is something to consider when using for live applications, especially with an active bass.

While the chassis itself is ruggedly built, the knobs are awful. They are cheap, flimsy and the setting notches are VERY hard to see. I’m thinking of replacing them so I don’t have to squint to see what my settings are.

I actually use this pedal on a weekly basis at practice as we run direct into a board for studio/headphone practices. I use the ¼” out to run to the board, though the DI is fine as well, if not the best in the business.

I bought this used from a fellow TBer for 45 bucks and I have MORE than gotten my money’s worth with this pedal. Don’t be swayed by bias against the Hartke name – for the price, this is a surprisingly good pedal.

Pros:
- Well built chassis
- Nice, usable tones
- Nice, bright indicator lights

Cons:
- No mid adjustment
- Cheap, flimsy knobs



6. Aguilar DB24

Features:
- Volume
- Bass boost
- Treble boost
- ¼” in/out


Basics:
Pretty simple outboard preamp. You don’t get a bunch of features – just basic tone shaping, and not terribly versatile shaping at that. This is a nice little preamp, but it wasn’t what I was looking for, so I sold it pretty quickly.

Tonally, this thing is WARM, so know that you aren’t going to get a modern, slaphappy, “hi-fi” sound out of this unit. It features the OBP-1 circuitry and, if you prefer warmth, this may be worth a look as they can be had for relatively cheap on the used market. It is boost-only and it is powered by 2 9v batteries (no DC capability).

This is not a DI, nor is it a “pedal”. It is, simply put, an onboard Aguilar preamp housed in an outboard box. Period. Its chassis is solid enough for a unit that won’t be stomped, but the knobs are a bit small.


Pros:
- Warm tones
- Well constructed
- Simple design

Cons:
- No mid adjustment
- Small knobs
- No DC compatibility (but this is really an onboard preamp in a box anyway)




7. K&K Pure preamp

Features:
- Volume
- Bass
- Mid
- Treble
- ¼” in/out


Basics:
Again, this is a simple outboard preamp with no features other than tone-shaping. It does not color your tone at all and I bought this for my passive EUB. Does the job just fine for what it is.

You can attach this to your belt and do your thing. Clean boost and clean frequency adjustment. No DI.


Pros:
- Clean tone adjustment
- Well constructed
- Simple design
- Mid adjustment

Cons:
- Small knobs
- No DC compatibility (but this is really an onboard preamp in a box anyway)
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Old 03-23-2008, 01:04 PM
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can i add my favorite pre???

Yamaha NE1-a simple quasi parametric EQ

3 knobs: level, shape and frequency

shape: 3 positions shallow, deep and flat (determines the shape in witch the mids will be cut or nothing at all)
freq: selects the freq where the cut will occur

pros: simple operation and good results
cons: too simple for some

i normally don't use much EQ or any preamp control... i like to leave things flat and let my fingers do the work... if you don't count my enormous efx collection
but there came a time where i got the need to some times shape things to make them less harsh or more warm...

i was in luck cuz at that time NE1 was released... i tried it, liked it and i bought it... its with me for 6 years... the only box shaped thing that is always on
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Old 03-23-2008, 02:02 PM
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Great idea for a thread!...I've been through a bunch of DI/pre's and have actually landed on the Seymour Duncan Paranormal...very clean tone...my only rub with this pedal is there's no volume adjust...EQ only...
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Old 03-25-2008, 02:51 AM
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+1 on the Sadowski. I love mine to bits and would never part with it. It got me off my sansamp kick. I use it on my two active basses as well.

I would never have bought my sadowski if the Aguilar db924 had a di out. I thought their sound was fantastic as a simple inexpensive pre.

Surprised no one has chimed in with the Radial tonebone. If you are looking for a pre/di which doesn't colour your tone as much as sadowski/mxr/aguilar or sansamp because you like the tone of your bass then it would be the one. Some people say it is wimpy, I find it is simply more transparent than the others. With extra features. It still gets no use while my sadowski is around that tone is just too good.
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Old 03-25-2008, 03:58 AM
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I currently use the Fodera Model 2000 pre. I pretty much have to agree with your comments. The lack of lights is a bit strange... But, the battery life is really long and being an 18 volt pre is apparently a good thing for your sound

I like mine!
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Old 03-25-2008, 06:58 AM
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My choice of pre-amp pedal has been the Carl Martin 3-band para EQ, directly driving my poweramp.

Features:
Input impedance: 1M Ohm
Output Impedance: 600 Ohm
Balanced Output: +18dB 200 Ohm
Level: +-15dB
Bass: +-15dB 20-500Hz
Middle: +-15dB 220-5,1kHz
Treble: +-15dB 1,5-16kHz


Basics:
Clean pre-amp with true line level outputs (balanced XLR and unbalanced 1/4"), effective sound shaping / room adjustment.
Built-in power supply.

Pros:
- clean
- hi quality
- effective EQ
- quiet

Cons:
- very hot pickups can overdrive input (mod is available)
- treble range can add some hiss (I'm very picky...)

This is NOT an effects pre-amp. If you like clean and transparent, then it's great, for everything else, you need to add something to your signal chain.
Playing my bass in passive mode provides a really nice, transparent sound, which I can easily shape from tight/punchy to wide/hifi.
Playing active for a live set-up, I can combine sound shaping with the onboard 3-band with room adjustment on the pedal pre, or ideally combine both to:

+/- bass, shelving, 40Hz on-board
+/- hi-bass, peaking, 100-280Hz para EQ pedal
+/- mids, peaking, 500Hz on-board
+/- hi-mids, peaking, 800-1200Hz para EQ pedal
+/- treble, shelving, 12kHz on-board
+/- air or finger noise, 4-16kHz para EQ pedal
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Old 03-25-2008, 11:17 AM
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Volume - this control provides a healthy amount of boost/cut.

Tone - Oz explained that the tone control functions as more of a tone sculptor than an eq in the traditional sense of the term. At the center position (12 o'clock) the tone is "flat." Turning CCW rolls off the treble and introduces a slight bass boost. To my ears, it sounds like a passive tone control. Turning CW boosts the treble and I hear a slight bass rolloff.

The general sound of the Submarine is mid-scooped (maybe a broad 3dB cut between 300 and 700HZ). It adds width and girth to the bass signal, kind of like the BBE process, but a bit more subtle.

The pedal is very solidly built and the paint job is immaculate. The graphics are on a transparent sticker and look nice over the yellow paint. Knobs are oversized- very cool! Green led to signal that the effect is engaged. Jacks are mounted to the case and a 9vDC neg. center jack is on the north side.

The only drawback is the limited functionality. There is no XLR out. This is not a DI pedal. But this is not an issue for me. This is an "always on" effect for me and it suits my taste. You'll need to check it out to see if it works for you.

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Hello Guys.
Ok, I've recently aquired a new Nordy VJ4 bass with Big Split pups and the bass is passive. I totally dig the tone/vibe but find I miss having an active control to add a touch of bass or treble depending ... I also own a NYC Sadowsky that is active and I really like having the controls but as I've said I love the passive thing. I've thought really long and hard about just buying a Sadowsky outboard pre as I'm getting another passive P bass soon. The only thing that bugs me about pedals etc. is I don't like all the fuss with cords etc. and prefer a rack mount unit. Of course Sadowsky doesn't make one that I'm aware of. I've been tempted to try the Tech 21 RBI but I'm just not sure. Also... I own a Radial JDI for a DI so I don't need another DI option really but might just have to live with that and.. it wouldn't hurt I guess, but I've got good/decent DI's on both my amps which are LMII and B1500.

Of course, I can just turn up the bass knob on my amps like I've been doing .... Seriously though the PHAT Sadowsky is really great in a live mix though...
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Old 04-10-2008, 10:41 AM
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Hello Guys.
Ok, I've recently aquired a new Nordy VJ4 bass with Big Split pups and the bass is passive. I totally dig the tone/vibe but find I miss having an active control to add a touch of bass or treble depending ... I also own a NYC Sadowsky that is active and I really like having the controls but as I've said I love the passive thing. I've thought really long and hard about just buying a Sadowsky outboard pre as I'm getting another passive P bass soon. The only thing that bugs me about pedals etc. is I don't like all the fuss with cords etc. and prefer a rack mount unit. Of course Sadowsky doesn't make one that I'm aware of. I've been tempted to try the Tech 21 RBI but I'm just not sure. Also... I own a Radial JDI for a DI so I don't need another DI option really but might just have to live with that and.. it wouldn't hurt I guess, but I've got good/decent DI's on both my amps which are LMII and B1500.

Of course, I can just turn up the bass knob on my amps like I've been doing .... Seriously though the PHAT Sadowsky is really great in a live mix though...
Someone has an older Sad pre without the DI for sale here in the classifieds. It is similar to the Aggie pre, though and not rack mountable.
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