Roland Jet Phaser/ Phaser + Fuzz help!!

[DosiYanarchy]

Ok. So before anyone says anything - - I searched.


I got major GAS for a Roland Jet Phaser. For those that dont know what that it, its a high-stage phaser and fuzz with two stomp switches: one to turn the effect on and off, and one to 'ramp' up the speed - so theres a smooth transition between one preset speed and another.

its discontinued and pretty rare, they can be found, theres one on ebay UK for £325, which is about £200 more than id be willing to spend.

Price, size and powering ease does matter to me, as im trying to keep everything on an EHX pedal bag.

As far as clones go - i know they're hard to build, and would probably cost the same as a real Jet Phase if someone did build one for me, so that not option. I know the Line 6 DM4 has a model of it (more on that in a moment), as does the Yamaha Magicstomp.

I'm not really looking for just a phaser, or just a fuzz, it is the two combined i want (i just want one stomp switch, even if its essentially two pedals in one box), using a effects loop would essentially mean im taking up the space of 3 pedals when really i just want one.

I know that the closest phaser to the one on the jetphase i can get is the Maxon PH-350, but it seems to be discontinued, and not much cheaper than a Jet Phase, and bloody massive. (side note: if anyone does know of any inexpensive - ie: less than £100 - high stage phasers, please suggest them)



I should mention, it was just GAS, then I got the Line6 DM4 Distortion Modeller-which has a JetPhaser model on it - which sounds amazing, you can even do thr 'ramp' thing with an expression pedal. Its no longer just GAS, I genuinely would like this pedal or something that sounds similar as a regular stompbox.

I got the DM4 for about £70 - so on price i know its not gonna be beaten, and it has alot of sounds in it, some are great for bass and some suck, however there is always alot of volume boosting to make up perceived low end loss.

This leads me to my predicament: I have a gig tonight, more than likely, im gonna be DI'd but probably wont have a soundcheck (it'll be a line check at best before we actually start our set), and im worried to hell that when i step on the DM4 its gonna be so f'ing loud im gonna have to turn it off. The way you edit/ammend presets can be a bit quirky, and doing it on the fly withough getting loads of Nasty feedback is impossible.



What i really want is a Phaser/BASS Fuzz in one pedal, with indepedant controls over both sections (preferable a higher stage phaser) and a MASTER VOLUME.

Anyone know where I can get what I want made, or some sort of compromise? Or maybe something already one the market that has phaser and fuzz at the same time.


I'm loving the DM4, but its big, heavy awkward to power and its hard to get the volume/lowend balance right until you're playing with the band - and then you risk looking like a fool.

Oh yeah, I'll try and get a DM4 review underway, because despite what im saying, i actually do think its great - Loving the Facial Fuzz (Fuzz Face), Line6 Drive (Coloursound Tonebender), Jet Fuzz (JetPhaser).

[chicago_mike]

IM building myself one of these but havent yet figured out total costs. The originals run around 535 bucks or so in the US.

[DosiYanarchy]

well if the price aint too high, send me a PM when your done - that is, if you'd consider making one for me too

[RCCollins]

i share your dream. i have often fantasized about a modernized jet phaser trype box

[chicago_mike]

Monday I etch the boards and will figure out total cost. I try to buy in bulk to save a few pennies.

[DosiYanarchy]

The DM4 is excellent, and I am truly loving it, i actually have two of the presets as Jet Phaser settings, one fast than the other, but i only really use one.

I'll do some clips.

[DosiYanarchy]

Originally Posted by chicago_mike

Monday I etch the boards and will figure out total cost. I try to buy in bulk to save a few pennies.

thanks mike, seriously, send me a PM when you know more on size/features/price and I'd be happy to discuss it with you further.

[DosiYanarchy]

heres a clip of the DM4 version into my VTbass

http://soundclick.com/share?songid=7850659

[RCCollins]

Originally Posted by DosiYanarchy

heres a clip of the DM4 version into my VTbass

http://soundclick.com/share?songid=7850659

i'm not too thrilled by that jet phase model. seems to me you could get just as close by running a dirtbox into a phaser. of course, it should be an 8-stage phaser, but still...

[DosiYanarchy]

yeah, i cant really compare the line6 Model to a real JetPhaser so I cant really say, but im digging the sound myself (does sound different live). I aggree that i could get the same tone by running a fuzz into a phaser. but what i want is a pedal that is both a fuzz and a phaser and would only take one stomp to switch them both on/off, and have tonal controls so I dont have to boost the F*ck out of the volume to get a perceived 'unity' presence in a band mix.

Im essentially looking for a reason to get the DM4 off my board, I do really like it, but ive got enough fuzz already, and If I can get a similar sound to the JetPhaser out of something else, then I'd be happy.

[Bootzilla]

If you get some sort of A/B switcher or looper so that you can put a fuzz and a phaser into a loop that you can activate with one stomp your set on the one stomp thing. I don't know the slightest thing about phasers but this seems like a good solution.

[RCCollins]

Originally Posted by DosiYanarchy

yeah, i cant really compare the line6 Model to a real JetPhaser so I cant really say, but im digging the sound myself (does sound different live). I aggree that i could get the same tone by running a fuzz into a phaser. but what i want is a pedal that is both a fuzz and a phaser and would only take one stomp to switch them both on/off, and have tonal controls so I dont have to boost the F*ck out of the volume to get a perceived 'unity' presence in a band mix.

Im essentially looking for a reason to get the DM4 off my board, I do really like it, but ive got enough fuzz already, and If I can get a similar sound to the JetPhaser out of something else, then I'd be happy.

the plus of running a fuzz into a phaser is that you get to pick which fuzz and which phaser. BBM through a small stone, for instance, sounds pretty wicked and won't break the bank

[DosiYanarchy]

Originally Posted by DosiYanarchy

using a effects loop would essentially mean im taking up the space of 3 pedals when really i just want one.

I could probably handle something upto Big Muff sized if it did what i wanted, but 3 separate pedals, taking 3 separate power supplies, would probably take up a 3rd of my board for one effect. I've considered it, and if i just buy a phaser, and use my existing fuzzes, then ill probably just get a boss LS2 or something, or just have a phaser after my fuzz, and just live with stepping on 2 pedals.

I'm a big fan of fuzz+modulation. I know theres a pedal that someone on TB owns that is a distortion+chorus, heck, i've almost been tempted by the Boss Digital Metalizer (ok, not that tempted.)

[chicago_mike]

I think the pcb will allow for a 1590BB sized box, Ill print out a preliminary later today.

The 1590BB is the most common sized fx box out there, B:Assmaster and others, discumbobulator, etc, etc...

[RCCollins]

Originally Posted by DosiYanarchy

I could probably handle something upto Big Muff sized if it did what i wanted, but 3 separate pedals, taking 3 separate power supplies, would probably take up a 3rd of my board for one effect. I've considered it, and if i just buy a phaser, and use my existing fuzzes, then ill probably just get a boss LS2 or something, or just have a phaser after my fuzz, and just live with stepping on 2 pedals.

I'm a big fan of fuzz+modulation. I know theres a pedal that someone on TB owns that is a distortion+chorus, heck, i've almost been tempted by the Boss Digital Metalizer (ok, not that tempted.)

I feel your pain. But I've been looking, and I don't think the Jet Phaser has been cloned or approximated. And as far as power supply goes, keep in mind that an actual jet phaser runs on 2 9-volt batteries, and while it can be modded it will need 18V. I've often seen them with 2 9v power inputs

I think you could get used to having a phaser after your fuzz. You know how people often start buying multiple fuzzes once they get an envelope filter? I'm that way with phasers. LOVE dirt and phase, and the stoner rock crew here does too.

obligatory Larry Graham video link: Jet Phase at 2:12

[DosiYanarchy]

my bands stuff flits between stoner/prog/funk(ish) and Grunge. Im just getting into Delay properly (had a few in the past, never really used them, now im loving it). Phase has always been one of those things that i never wanted to use. Even had a Pigtronix EP1 and i go rid of that. Now i know what i want with phaser/fuzz, and it seems to be kinda elusive. Lets see what Chicago_mike has got in his bag of tricks

[RCCollins]

Originally Posted by DosiYanarchy

my bands stuff flits between stoner/prog/funk(ish) and Grunge. Im just getting into Delay properly (had a few in the past, never really used them, now im loving it). Phase has always been one of those things that i never wanted to use. Even had a Pigtronix EP1 and i go rid of that. Now i know what i want with phaser/fuzz, and it seems to be kinda elusive. Lets see what Chicago_mike has got in his bag of tricks

i'm curious to see what he comes up with. but in the meantime, fuzz -> phaser offers a multitude of possibilities

[DosiYanarchy]

cool, any idea on what might have 8+ stages and still be reasonably small? The Maxon is huge and expensive.

maybe this:
http://www.effectpowersupplies.com/a...aser-799-p.asp
or
http://www.effectpowersupplies.com/phaser-806-p.asp

[RCCollins]

Originally Posted by DosiYanarchy

cool, any idea on what might have 8+ stages and still be reasonably small? The Maxon is huge and expensive.

maybe this:
http://www.effectpowersupplies.com/a...aser-799-p.asp
or
http://www.effectpowersupplies.com/phaser-806-p.asp

i would definitely go with an analog phaser if you're trying to get jetphase sounds.

I've never used that tonelok. worth a try if you get a good deal.

but if you like the sound you made a sample of from the fm4, I'd say that 8 stages isn't even necessary - a small stone or MXR might be equally satisfying for the effect you're going for. Again, I've been down the road I think you're going, and while I'd love to see a modern jetphase "clone" or equivalent, there is a good chance that a 4-stage phaser may be just as satisfying to you in combination with the right dirt... smallstone, MXR... I'd try those before getting the tonelok AP7

that said, the Maxon is an EXCELLENT unit. not tiny, not cheap, but probably worth it for phaser freaks

[Bryan R. Tyler]

Anyone have a track to refer to as to what they sound like on bass outside of that old Larry Graham video? That's the only place I've heard it from.

EDIT: just found a couple user-made YouTube clips.