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Old 05-03-2011, 02:16 AM
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Sound differences between different styles of distortion

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Symmetrical clipping
Assymetrical
Germanium

etc. etc.

Could anyone explain the differences. It's not essential I know, I'm just interested. Search wasn't my friend.
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Old 05-03-2011, 06:14 AM
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Symmetrical clipping
Assymetrical
Germanium.
Imao- symmetrical clipping consist of multiple diodes that breakup the signal at equal rates....smooth even distortion

Assymetrical normaly has a more mid-scooped agressive/messy sound...as the diodes normaly clipp at different values, adding in odd high end harmonics.....think super solid state/digital sounding.


germanium is sort a mix between a fuzz and a synth...that is, its very full with rich overtones and full tone...often very compressed.

I love gated germanium while playing bass.

Hope that's right
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Old 05-03-2011, 02:08 PM
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Watch out for mixing apples and oranges -- in this case, symmetrical vs. asymmetrical clipping refers to how a waveform is clipped (distorted), while germanium refers to components. Germanium could refer to the transistors (gain devices which can add distortion), or it could refer to germanium vs. silicon clipping diodes.

Text descriptions for these ideas tend to fall short, but asymmetrical clipping tends to be perceived as more "tubey" and round, while symmetrical clipping tends to be a bit more clear and crisp.

Here's a nice commentary on the differences between germanium and silicon clipping diodes. In circuits that use clipping diodes to create signal distortion, various combos of clipping diodes can result in symmetrical or assymetrical clipping. (One of the most common mods to Tube Screamer and variant circuits is changing the clipping diode arrangement to give a different distortion flavor.)

Another TB'er might be better able to detail the differences between germanium and silicon transistors. Silicon transistors are much less sensitive to temperature variations than germaniums, so they tend to have a fairly stable sound regardless of environmental conditions, while distortion/fuzz circuits using germanium transistors can sound noticeably different at different temps. It is a fairly common perception that germanium transistors have a "squishier" and "warmer" sound when driven to distortion, while silicon transistors have a more "harsh" and "crispy" break up sound, but that tonal harshness can be compensated for with other components in a pedal circuit, so this silicon-transistors-sound-harsher perception doesn't always hold true.

For an interesting audio comparison between germanium and silicon transistors in otherwise similar circuits, go to Fulltone's web site and compare sound clips of the '69 mkII fuzz (germanium transistors) and the '70 BC fuzz (silicon transistors).

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Old 05-03-2011, 07:42 PM
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Thanks guys - just always interested.
When you talk about using clipping diodes to create distortion I am assuming this is a totally different process than using tubes?
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Old 05-04-2011, 07:57 AM
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When you talk about using clipping diodes to create distortion I am assuming this is a totally different process than using tubes?
It is a different process.

Tubes and transistors can be used for amplification (gain). Depending upon how they're implemented, they can also distort the amplified signal -- literally overdriving the component beyond its ability to handle a clean signal (no more headroom). Fortunately, that 'driven beyond the limits so it distorts' sound turns out to be rather pleasing to ear when handled appropriately.

Clipping diodes do not amplify (add gain), but they can add their own sort of signal degradation (distortion) when the incoming signal exceeds the diode network's clipping threshold.

These distortion methods can be used independently or in combination (e.g. an overdriven transistor followed by clipping diodes) to achieve many distortion "flavors"/textures, from light coloration/mild grit to thick, highly compressed fuzz. Add variations of EQ filtering to your circuit, and there are MANY tones available.

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Old 05-04-2011, 10:13 AM
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For those interested in exploring diode clipping further, a current thread over at the DIYStompboxes.com forum offers sound clip examples of various diodes (germanium, silicon, and LEDs) used for clipping, in both symmetrical and asymmetrical configurations, within an otherwise identical circuit.
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Old 05-04-2011, 07:46 PM
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Mate that is the best answer to a question I've posted here ever!
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