Source Audio Dubstep

[UpsideDown727]

So I love the dubstep possibilities I've heard on videos.

My question is, can you get those sweet wobble sounds from the BEF or do you need the BEF pro or the Midi EXP?


(Ps I already jumped the gun on ordering the BEF and Hot hand without doing all the research. I was really excited.)

[NicJimBass]

I've had good results with the BEF Pro and Hot Hand so far. You should be able to get something close with the BEF, although I've found that I can get a much better wobble with the Pro, as you can adjust the Q in the backpage menu. Currently I have the BEF Pro and the Bass Multiwave Distortion Pro, and added a Digitech Bass Synth Wah last night. The combo of all three has really expanded my options and has yielded some great results so far. If you have some type of synth/ distortion and an octave pedal, you can add the BEF and expect some very nice wobbling.

[UpsideDown727]

If I can't, Ill see if I can return it to get the pro. But If I can, any suggestions on synth pedals?

[NicJimBass]

Originally Posted by UpsideDown727

If I can't, Ill see if I can return it to get the pro. But If I can, any suggestions on synth pedals?

I'm far from a synth pedal expert, so take everything I say with a grain of salt! I've had really good luck with the Source Audio Bass Multiwave Distortion Pro, but it seemed to lack balls, for lack of better term, on most or all of the settings. I used the Bass Synth Wah last night as an octaver mainly, and that certainly beefed things up nicely. I thought about looking into the Boss SYB-5, but not sold on it from everything I've seen on youtube.

I guess it all depends on what you're hearing in your head. For me, a "synth sound" is what I would describe as a harsh, hard square or saw wave, that is fairly gritty. It's almost like a gated fuzz (like a Wooly Mammoth) but with the ability to control it a bit more, if that makes sense. I've been looking up a lot of stuff on youtube lately, trying to find what I hear in my head... the combo of the BMWD and BSW get's pretty freakin' close, at least for now!

[gastric]

I have a ton of synth effect sound samples on my webpage. Check my signature below.

[Dethrats]

!!WOW!!
Dubstep Bass Guitar (Nathan Navarro) - YouTube

I want a hot hand now

[NicJimBass]

Originally Posted by Dethrats

!!WOW!!
Dubstep Bass Guitar (Nathan Navarro) - YouTube

I want a hot hand now

That video and this one (Nathan Navarro ft. Dylan Patrello - One One Two - YouTube) are a huge reason I went with the BEF Pro. There is a Facebook group called 'Organic Bass Wobble'... Nathan started it, and there's a small community of guys asking questions and helping each other out on this stuff.

[UpsideDown727]

does he use the pro on one one two? I've heard he used the midi exp into the syb-5 for his Dubstep Bass Guitar video

[Explorer]

I'm not sure if you're asking if he's using a BEF at all on One One Two, or which flavor.

He states that he's using the BEF and the Hot Hand on One One Two, and regarding which one he's using, here's a picture of his board which Source Audio posted.



That's the Pro in the lower right, so I expect he's using the Pro on that recording.

[Kobaia]

Originally Posted by Explorer

I would say thats not the pro by looking at it
I would venture to say its more like this one
http://www.sourceaudio.net/products/...d/midi_exp.php

[wolffman]

Originally Posted by NicJimBass

I'm far from a synth pedal expert, so take everything I say with a grain of salt! I've had really good luck with the Source Audio Bass Multiwave Distortion Pro, but it seemed to lack balls, for lack of better term, on most or all of the settings.

For me, a "synth sound" is what I would describe as a harsh, hard square or saw wave, that is fairly gritty. It's almost like a gated fuzz (like a Wooly Mammoth)

the MWBDP is rather polite- which is nice in contrast to other synth pedals like the bass synth wah, markbass super synth, mirco synth, etc... it's one of the reasons I love it, clean synth sounds. But when I want to really give it a temper I add some dirt before it to make it angrier, overdrive can make it bite a little harder sound thicker and make the distortions sound synthier. Putting a gated fuzz before the MWBDP (I use the oxide) can over power tit but make the fuzz sound synthier than it would alone. And -1 octave solo'd before the MW will give it a nice fat low sound. IT certainly isn't the ballsiest pedal out there but you can coax it to get harsher

[Explorer]

Originally Posted by Kobaia

I would say thats not the pro by looking at it
I would venture to say its more like this one
Hot Hand® MIDI-EXP Controller

Interesting! I hadn't seen that one yet, so I figure the display was just wrong for the smaller BEF. That's what I get for trying to fit a blurry picture to what he states in the comments. Now I know that picture doesn't represent what he used on One One Two then, according to his comments.

"The ring on my thumb is a 'Hot Hand' made by Source Audio. I'm also using Source Audio's Bass Envelope Filter pedal. Spector Bass guitar, as always."

Still a mystery then which unit he used, I suppose....

[Kobaia]

I've figured it out.
If you use the hot hand MIDI-EXP you can use the out to controle any thing with an EXP in.

Iron Either LPF perhaps.....

I'm sure he's using the BEF. but anything with an EXP in can use that pedal....

[dirtgroove]

Originally Posted by Kobaia

I've figured it out.
If you use the hot hand MIDI-EXP you can use the out to controle any thing with an EXP in.

Iron Either LPF perhaps.....

I'm sure he's using the BEF. but anything with an EXP in can use that pedal....

so.... ....can anyone confirm whether it might work with a line6 m9?

[Kobaia]

Originally Posted by dirtgroove

so.... ....can anyone confirm whether it might work with a line6 m9?

I dont see why it wouldn't

[rsmith601]

The Hot Hand MIDI EXP box is capable of creating lots sophisticated MIDI messages which can be used to drive almost ANYTHING which accepts either MIDI or an expression pedal input (hence the "EXP"). I think - but will need to check - that Nathan is using the MIDI EXP to generate MIDI signals and then is using that to control the SA BEF Pro via the MIDI input. The MIDI EXP pedal is one of Jesse's masterpieces, but it is for more advanced MIDI users. (Gastric could write a term paper on the subject )

[rsmith601]

Originally Posted by Kobaia

I dont see why it wouldn't

MIDI EXP works with anything which accepts MIDI input signals.

[NicJimBass]

I recorded these demo tracks last night. They're quick and dirty, as I wasn't interested in quality of recording OR playing, but simply to show what the SA pedals are capable of, in terms of dubstep wobble.

sa-wobble by Nick Smith 13 on SoundCloud - Create, record and share your sounds for free

[NicJimBass]

Originally Posted by wolffman

the MWBDP is rather polite- which is nice in contrast to other synth pedals like the bass synth wah, markbass super synth, mirco synth, etc... it's one of the reasons I love it, clean synth sounds. But when I want to really give it a temper I add some dirt before it to make it angrier, overdrive can make it bite a little harder sound thicker and make the distortions sound synthier. Putting a gated fuzz before the MWBDP (I use the oxide) can over power tit but make the fuzz sound synthier than it would alone. And -1 octave solo'd before the MW will give it a nice fat low sound. IT certainly isn't the ballsiest pedal out there but you can coax it to get harsher

I am finding this to be the case... putting the Digitech Bass Synth Wah in front of the BMWD made it a whole different animal!

[UpsideDown727]

Thanks for all the input guys, its been a lot of help. More is always welcome too.