Source Audio Sourcerers Society (S.A.S.S.) Pt 2

[tjaila]

Originally Posted by Gadgetjunky

Nice to see someone else using the midi functions.

+1 here

I made a short YouTube vid some time ago to demonstrate the midi clock

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LlGrLHA4Krw



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[Gadgetjunky]

Cool. I figured that's basically how it works. Too bad the BEF Pro doesn't have a CC for tap tempo

Or does it....Jesse??

[Skrogh]

Nope it has something better... You can use the MIDI clock as tap tempo, but then you get the cool "speed multiplier", where the speedknob (and expression to ditto) is broken into regions (1/8 1/4 etc.) But when using taptempo, that doesn't work... that kinda sucks.

Oh also I decoded the MIDI message needed to set the LFO-custom waveshape. Gimme a shout if you want it.

[Gadgetjunky]

yea, I'd like to control it with what I already have, FCB1010. But I'm not really doing much live LFO stuff at the moment plus my new setup actually gives me access to the tap tempo. We do everything to click, can you save the midi clock tempo to a preset once you get it going? That may work better for me anyway.

[Basehead]

Originally Posted by Skrogh

Oh also I decoded the MIDI message needed to set the LFO-custom waveshape. Gimme a shout if you want it.

What can you do with this?....and I maybe interested in this

[Basehead]

So, I think I figured out the problem...

First things first - I can control the morph feature on the Multiwave Bass Distortion via MIDI... Totally works, which is awesome! I'll be incorporating it into my MIDI set up.

Now back to the BEF Pro. I think I may have an older firmware since CC 24 does nothing. I'm not sure if I have to do any additional setup, so that may have something to do with it. I'll see if Jesse can provide us with more info. After going back and reading the posts from the previous S.A.S.S. thread, I figured out that this DOES work. So far so good...

Anyway, I did get control of the Speed via MIDI...but that success was short lived. I had MIDI clock out on the Modfactor turned off. Once I introduced MIDI clock, I got the same error I was getting last night - LFO is synched (I think it defaults at 1/4 beats), move the expression pedal, LFO changes for a second then reverts back to default speed (beat subdivision). For my unit, it seems to get confused by the MIDI CC and MIDI clock coming in at the same time.

Does Source have a firmware update for this? Am I missing something else?

Thanks for listening...

[Gadgetjunky]

Like I said, I don't have any midi clock experience, but just thinking about it plus the findings on the last post it sounds like the midi clock over-rides everything automatically. so if you want to control the BEF Pro lfo speed with an expression pedal, why send a midi clock signal at it too?

[Basehead]

Originally Posted by Gadgetjunky

Like I said, I don't have any midi clock experience, but just thinking about it plus the findings on the last post it sounds like the midi clock over-rides everything automatically. so if you want to control the BEF Pro lfo speed with an expression pedal, why send a midi clock signal at it too?

I send MIDI clock from a Boss RC-50 looper to my Modfactor, Timefactor, and BEF Pro. With that, all of my delays, modulations, wobbles, etc are synched to my preset tempos that also feeds my drummer's metronome. I got the idea from Zach Rizer (TB's Proton Lenny) who uses this with his band Mouth. Check out what he does with it at www.abandcalledmouth.com - very cool stuff!

I'd like to get that synching with additional MIDI control (if possible)....

[Gadgetjunky]

Ok, I do understand why, but when you want to switch BEF Pro to 'manual speed control' you may have to stop sending it a midi clock signal is what I mean.

Question, if you turn off the midi clock, do the devices synced to it stay at the same tempo the mid clock set them at?

[Basehead]

I hope that's not the case, as I don't have to do that with the factor pedals.

I think so. I haven't done hardcore testing of this but once MIDI clock establishes a tempo and then I unplug my MIDI (or turn the clock out off), the tempo continues as is. Problem is the RC-50 doesn't have the best MIDI clock and tends to float a little bit. My factors readjust the BPM every now and then.

[Gadgetjunky]

I passed on my wired Hot Hand to a local bass player that is into fx maybe even more than me. He just got the standard BEF and my wired Hot Hand had just been sitting around. Now it has a new home and will surely get used and enjoyed. I feel warm inside.

[Smallequestrian]

Messed around with the Reverb and BEF Pro with my new Pocket Piano last night. Please excuse the audio, its just the iPad mic picking up my amp, but it doesn't sound too bad. I basically used whatever presets I had already and didn't do any instrument specific tweaking to the SA pedals.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c30odksoth8&sns=em

[tink9975]

sooooooooooo when are we going to see the SB2 modulation pedal come out?

[Gadgetjunky]

Originally Posted by tink9975

sooooooooooo when are we going to see the SB2 modulation pedal come out?

suppose to be like any day

[rsmith601]

Mid to late Jaunary is my best guess. It is all down to manuals, graphics, etc.

[tink9975]

excellent, looking forward to it

[behndy]

i'm not really into the club thing, so i'll pass on a number, but i adore my BEF Pro for Wub Wubs.



really looking forward to the BEF 2. three save spots and the eq are kinda overkill for me.

need to get around to splicing the wireless controller's cord into a Cioks cable so i can power it off my power supply. i kinda want to have a spot there with the little controller and a ring attached to the board. i have two wireless rings, it'd be good to have one always charging there.

anybody done that all neat and elegant like?

MOOF.

[voodoobassist]

Originally Posted by Gadgetjunky

I passed on my wired Hot Hand to a local bass player that is into fx maybe even more than me. He just got the standard BEF and my wired Hot Hand had just been sitting around. Now it has a new home and will surely get used and enjoyed. I feel warm inside.

And it is greatly appreciated my friend! Tried it out the following night with so so results. I have a feeling I'll be getting a bef pro to put it to better use. Hey wait a minute,...you just made me spend mo' money!!!!

Thanks again,..truly do appreciate it!

[Gadgetjunky]

Originally Posted by voodoobassist

And it is greatly appreciated my friend! Tried it out the following night with so so results. I have a feeling I'll be getting a bef pro to put it to better use. Hey wait a minute,...you just made me spend mo' money!!!!

Thanks again,..truly do appreciate it!

There's been a lot of questions about the Hot Hand on a non-Pro BEF. The lack of the clean/wet blend may be the problem. And remember to put a fuzz before the BEF to boost its effect.

Now you're going to have to come to one of my gigs to hear what a BEF-Pro can do. The LFO is pretty fun too, but I haven't found a way to fit it into our current setlist.

I'm actually having the most fun with the Hot Hand 3 on headstock doing whammy dive bombs with M5 , hehe.

[Skrogh]

Originally Posted by Basehead

What can you do with this?....and I maybe interested in this

Sorry I missed this.

Here you go:
Send the following twice:
0xF0 - System Exclusive
0x33 - the number 51
0x2C - the number 44
0x7A - the number 122
0x00 - a zero
0x?? - value of LFO in first position (a number 0-127)
0x00 - a zero
0x?? - value of LFO in second position (a number 0-127)
...
...
0x00 - a zero
0x?? - value of LFO in sixteenth position (a number 0-127)
0x?? - number of position (a number 1-16)
0xF7 - End of SysEx

All bands/positions should be specified, even if the are not all used.