Source Audio Synth Pedal - Page 12

scottfeldstein · #**221** 01-20-2013, 01:34 PM

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Originally Posted by eddododo

2) I don't want an 80's synth lead pedal. I want BASS SYNTH, and not just 30 different BWOW/fizz variations.
I, we, are daydreaming of DEEP tones, fat sounds, dubby boom.

That is such a good point. Some of the sounds on other pedals bewilder me. I'm a bass player! When am I ever really going to want to make that sound?

Yurtra · #**222** 01-20-2013, 03:49 PM

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Originally Posted by eddododo

2) I don't want an 80's synth lead pedal. I want BASS SYNTH, and not just 30 different BWOW/fizz variations.
I, we, are daydreaming of DEEP tones, fat sounds, dubby boom.

GET OUT OF MY HEAD!

Robin Ruscio · #**223** 01-20-2013, 04:24 PM

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Originally Posted by eddododo

2) I don't want an 80's synth lead pedal. I want BASS SYNTH, and not just 30 different BWOW/fizz variations.
I, we, are daydreaming of DEEP tones, fat sounds, dubby boom.

THANKS FOR SAYING THIS! Why does everyone make synth lead sounds out of their pedals?

Bassist30 · #**224** 01-20-2013, 05:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Robin Ruscio

THANKS FOR SAYING THIS! Why does everyone make synth lead sounds out of their pedals?

Its very hard to make a real synth pedal. Tracking problems is the biggest. Getting sub sounds to track well will be what the company should try to tackle, or they just make another synth pedal that sounds like the others.

Robin Ruscio · #**225** 01-21-2013, 07:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Bassist30

Its very hard to make a real synth pedal. Tracking problems is the biggest. Getting sub sounds to track well will be what the company should try to tackle, or they just make another synth pedal that sounds like the others.

IME, IMHO Tracking has not been the primary problem on the pedals I've tried- it's been the unusable tones!

OhulahanBass · #**226** 01-21-2013, 09:43 AM

Tracking, IMHO, causes most unusable tones. The rest is caused by crappy programming or engines. If source can't solve the tracking issue I'm gonna have to save for a Industrial Radio MIDI bass and plug it into a Moog.

kevteop · #**227** 01-21-2013, 09:57 AM

What I'd like most is programmable ADSR envelopes on both a filter and the audio signal. The Octavius Squeezer attempts it but it's not reliable enough. This would allow you to make synth-like tones using your other pedals and then shape them to sound like a synth.

gastric · #**228** 01-21-2013, 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by kevteop

What I'd like most is programmable ADSR envelopes on both a filter and the audio signal. The Octavius Squeezer attempts it but it's not reliable enough. This would allow you to make synth-like tones using your other pedals and then shape them to sound like a synth.

Agreed. Though it's not the initial envelope nor note detection that is poor. It's the retriggering of the ADSR that's the issue with the Octavious Squeezer. As long as you play really, Really, REALLY slow with ADSR instead of envelope it works well.

Lots of issues to tackle with synth effect boxes. For me it's almost always the poor retriggering that's the issue that prevents me from falling in love. Even the Roland GR-55 suffers from this as well, it doesn't always reliably track same-string retriggers when playing steady, repetitive 8th notes.

Make retrigger too sensitive and you end up with a SONUUS B2M MIDI box performance where a held note causes retriggers due to it being seemingly over sensitive.

That and octave jumps where you play C2 then C3 consecutively. Throws a lot of pitch tracking effects off.

Looking forward to following the progress of this project.

Mattbass97 · #**229** 01-21-2013, 12:30 PM

I've only started paying attention to this thread and I'm quite interested, without me sounding like an idiot, is there a definite source audio synth being drawn up or is this just what everyone would love from a synth by source audio. I realise the first post is about source audio having interest in it, I'm just wondering if its really looking like it will happen?

Thanks!

DeltaPhoenix · #**230** 01-21-2013, 12:38 PM

They are working on it, specifically the tracking/pitch algorithim.

rsmith601 · #**231** 01-21-2013, 02:06 PM

The most difficult section is the pitch detection, and we are working on this now.

Please note that this is a high risk project!

OhulahanBass · #**232** 01-21-2013, 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by rsmith601

The most difficult section is the pitch detection, and we are working on this now.

Please note that this is a high risk project!

A good fail safe is to make the un-avoidable pitch glitches musical.

I think the SS does a good job at this with slap bass attach, the Octavius not so much and the Sonuus is perhaps the worse glitch wise (probably because it wasn't purposefully designed to integrate with anything and jumps around). I don't think the Digitech and Boss are worth discussing.

Bassist30 · #**233** 01-21-2013, 06:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Robin Ruscio

IME, IMHO Tracking has not been the primary problem on the pedals I've tried- it's been the unusable tones!

To me as the tone got bigger and fatter the tracking issue started. But thats me. To me the old AXON AX 100 has worked out the best. But its not a pedal. .

scottfeldstein · #**234** 01-21-2013, 07:14 PM

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Originally Posted by rsmith601

Please note that this is a high risk project!

I'm imagining you're operating like Apple: enter that market only if you feel you can seriously kick some ass--otherwise do something else.

rsmith601 · #**235** 01-21-2013, 08:39 PM

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Originally Posted by scottfeldstein

I'm imagining you're operating like Apple: enter that market only if you feel you can seriously kick some ass--otherwise do something else.

If we did a "me too" kind of product....or ever worse a "lame" product, you would all be disappointed in us, and that would hurt really badly: first emotionally and then financially.

kurotenshi · #**236** 01-22-2013, 06:59 PM

My 2cents on user interface:
I really do not like the backpage paradigm as it is on most of the pedals and processors. Using the EQ LEDs as backpage makes SA pedals the best ones I know but it is still to confusing. However I cannot see any other way of doing this without a screen of some sort. But screens are expensive and make the pedal more prone to damage, both very bad things.
Many people have said, correctly IMO, that USB is not a solution, however scottfeldstein has mentioned many times the iPhone and TC Electronic has shown how to send "configuration" files to pedals without cables (phone cables) or expensive hardware.
So my proposal would be, keep say 80% of the functionality on the front and back pages and then make an "advanced interface app"

rsmith601 · #**237** 01-22-2013, 11:18 PM

The multi-function port on the SB2 gives us options for an external "editor" for the back page. We have a very clever idea for making the "connection" to a screen on a phone/pad/etc., but I don't want to share it until it works.

Appreciate the comments. NAMM set up starts tomorrow!

Adamixoye · #**238** 01-23-2013, 04:34 AM

I have a strong recommendation: if you do any sort of bluetooth type connection options for phones and tablets, please do not forget Android users!

Bassist30 · #**239** 01-23-2013, 04:51 AM

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Originally Posted by rsmith601

The most difficult section is the pitch detection, and we are working on this now.

Please note that this is a high risk project!

Happy to see you guys still at work with this. Looking to hear the finished product.

Gadgetjunky · #**240** 01-23-2013, 07:23 AM

cool, iphone/ipad interface on the way, I like that. I've already started.