SVT Emulators, wich on is the best?

jose.romo.macie · #1 08-17-2010, 09:45 PM

Tech 21 SansAmp GT2 vs Tech 21 VT Bass

Wich one you prefer?

Hollywars · #2 08-17-2010, 09:51 PM

Just ask JimmyM...

ThrashMaster · #3 08-17-2010, 09:54 PM

vt bass is absolutely amazing. does more than just svt sounds too

JimmyM · #4 08-18-2010, 12:43 AM

ask me what?

actually, the best svt emulator is an svt. but the vt rules pretty hard.

TL5 · #5 08-18-2010, 10:30 AM

I own and like'em both, but the VT is on my pedal-board.

cybersnyder · #6 08-18-2010, 11:10 AM

I need to find the samples Jimmy did comparing the SVT and the B15 real deals against the VT pedal.

Crystalman85 · #7 08-18-2010, 08:57 PM

The tech 21 sansamp vt bass would be a better choice for an svt emulator. the gt2 is more of a distortion modelling pedal.

TL5 · #8 08-19-2010, 08:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Crystalman85

The tech 21 sansamp vt bass would be a better choice for an svt emulator. the gt2 is more of a distortion modelling pedal.

The GT2 is an amp simulator.
It's settings are to mimic the tones from a Fender, Marshall, or Boogie style amp. There's also settings that emulate higher gain stages and the mic'ing configuration.

The manual does show some settings for SVT style bass amp as well as some others. (see page 4, right column sample settings)

The SVT model on the GT2 is built off of the Fender (Tweed on the GT2) emulation.

I actually preferred the sound of the GT2 through a DI to that of the bass driver alone - of course YMMV.

Now that I have the VT Bass, I use the GT2 less but it's still a cool pedal. It has the advantage of being useful for a variety of guitar sounds..

Jake of Bass · #9 08-19-2010, 08:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JimmyM

actually, the best svt emulator is an svt.

That's not actually emulating though, is it?

JimmyM · #10 08-19-2010, 08:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jake of Bass

That's not actually emulating though, is it?

well now you're just nitpicking.

Crystalman85 · #11 08-19-2010, 06:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TL5

The GT2 is an amp simulator.
It's settings are to mimic the tones from a Fender, Marshall, or Boogie style amp. There's also settings that emulate higher gain stages and the mic'ing configuration.

The manual does show some settings for SVT style bass amp as well as some others. (see page 4, right column sample settings)

The SVT model on the GT2 is built off of the Fender (Tweed on the GT2) emulation.

I actually preferred the sound of the GT2 through a DI to that of the bass driver alone - of course YMMV.

Now that I have the VT Bass, I use the GT2 less but it's still a cool pedal. It has the advantage of being useful for a variety of guitar sounds..

Okay...I suppose that the tech 21 gt2 is considered to be an amp simulation pedal. the only reason why I consider it to be a distortion modelling pedal is because the gt2 has distortion sounds that is modelled after the the distortion sounds from a fender amp, a marshall amp, and a mesa-boogie amp. but yeah, point taken that the tech 21 gt2 is an amp simulation pedal. I never knew that you can duplicate an svt bass sound from that pedal. from what I've understand is true, marco from nightwish uses this pedal.

PilbaraBass · #12 08-19-2010, 06:03 PM

The "best one for me" is the Zoom B2 series pedal…

1) It does a very reasonable job, especially at cleaner tones.
2) I already own one

TL5 · #13 08-20-2010, 07:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Crystalman85

Okay...I suppose that the tech 21 gt2 is considered to be an amp simulation pedal. the only reason why I consider it to be a distortion modelling pedal is because the gt2 has distortion sounds that is modelled after the the distortion sounds from a fender amp, a marshall amp, and a mesa-boogie amp. but yeah, point taken that the tech 21 gt2 is an amp simulation pedal. I never knew that you can duplicate an svt bass sound from that pedal. from what I've understand is true, marco from nightwish uses this pedal.

I wasn't tryin' to bust your chops, I just didn't want the OP to get the impression that the GT2 distortion was built around some type of overdrive/distortion/fuzz effect box emulation, like a tube screamer or fuzzface.
I actually like the GT2 on Bass and I'm not surprised that others do as well.

IMHO, the GT2 has to be one of the easiest Tech 21 pedals to set-up once you understand what it's doing. It's much easier to control than the VT Bass is.

From the manual (truncated):
AMP
Each of the three positions affects multiple dimensions of the personality traits inherent to each amplifier type.This switch is not a simple EQ change, nor does it just affect the gain structure. Each amplifier type has its own tonality and its own input sensitivity. Each reacts differently to the dynamics of the player and to the signal level of the instrument.

CALIFORNIA = Mesa/Boogie®-style
BRITISH = Marshall®-style
TWEED = Fender®-style

MOD
Influences the gain structure of the AMP style selected.

CLEAN : Gives you a stock tube amp ste-up.

HI GAIN : Gives you an extra gain stage , as if you were to install an additional 12AX7 tube in the pre-amp stage.

HOT-WIRED : Produces a “spitty, tube-driven-past-the-brink texture.

MIC
Determines orientation and distance of mic placement in relation to the cabinet.
CLASSIC : Achieves a flat response associated with distant mic placement.Similar to a combo amp loaded with original “blue frame” Jensen®-type speakers.

CENTER : Has peaks and valleys associated with close miking.Similar to a 4x12 cabinet with Celestion®-type speakers having a mic at the center of a cone.

OFF-AXIS : Has peaks and valleys associated with close miking,except the mic is positioned at the edge of a speaker cone.

rnilson · #14 08-20-2010, 09:04 AM

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Originally Posted by cybersnyder

I need to find the samples Jimmy did comparing the SVT and the B15 real deals against the VT pedal.

I also would like to hear these samples, but a search yeilded no results. Can someone who know where to find them

?

JimmyM · #15 08-20-2010, 01:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rnilson

I also would like to hear these samples, but a search yeilded no results. Can someone who know where to find them

?

unfortunately, the file sharing service bumped them off their server and for the life of me i can't find where they are. i'm afraid they might have been lost in a crash i had earlier this year. if i get time i'll try to go through the backup disks i made when that happened, if i can locate them.

Jake of Bass · #16 08-20-2010, 08:50 PM

Just going by the literature in this thread quoted from Tech 21, if you want an SVT emulated tone, get the VT (obviously the name is a giveaway). The GT2 is a different sound, you may prefer it but it's not SVT (not designed by Tech 21 to be that anyway).

Darkglass · #17 08-20-2010, 10:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Crystalman85

Okay...I suppose that the tech 21 gt2 is considered to be an amp simulation pedal. the only reason why I consider it to be a distortion modelling pedal is because the gt2 has distortion sounds that is modelled after the the distortion sounds from a fender amp, a marshall amp, and a mesa-boogie amp. but yeah, point taken that the tech 21 gt2 is an amp simulation pedal. I never knew that you can duplicate an svt bass sound from that pedal. from what I've understand is true, marco from nightwish uses this pedal.

Actually, I was talking with a friend who is a Bass Player and well respected sound engineer/producer here in Helsinki, and he told me that Marco's studio tone comes from a very old 50W Marshall! Which he has been using pretty much since the 80's, even before Tarot!
And that he just uses the GT2 for imitating that tone live

. IMO the GT2 is the best Sansamp (along with the Tri-AC)... for either bass and guitar.

Regards!

Doug.

faceinbass · #18 08-21-2010, 12:23 PM

SFT....

you forgot to add it to your poll.

SteveD · #19 08-22-2010, 02:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JimmyM

unfortunately, the file sharing service bumped them off their server and for the life of me i can't find where they are. i'm afraid they might have been lost in a crash i had earlier this year. if i get time i'll try to go through the backup disks i made when that happened, if i can locate them.

Hi Jimmy. I've been traveling and out of the loop for a while. Assuming money is no object, would you go with the vt or the vt deluxe? I switch between a jazz fretted and fretless, play classic rock and love tubey goodness. I require major distortion on only a couple of tunes, mainly prefer a "set and leave" situation as the show moves pretty fast.

Many thanks as I am ready to order and don't want to make a mistake. Everyone else welcome to chime in too!

SD

BroKenSticKs · #20 08-22-2010, 02:18 PM

The VT bass is very good. It keeps surprising me how good it is.

Edit. I recorded my bands ep DI and then reamped through it and it sounds great. I also use it live as an always on pedal. Soundguys usually take a DI off the back of my head but i'm sending my amp the VT signal anyways so it gives it more of a mic'd amp sound. Really warms everything up and i set it so that its just on the verge of breaking up. Really fills out my sound.