Tool tone/FX sticky thread ver. 1 - Page 20

Toolmybass · #**381** 09-18-2012, 09:01 AM

The thread that this was from....the laughter starts at post #20

bigchiefbc · #**382** 09-18-2012, 10:47 AM

Yeah, maybe that's what I was thinking of. I have no idea. Notice I didn't say that it was a credible report, just that I heard it reported.

Either way, like I said, I've never seen a pic or a vid of it, so the only basses I can prove he played are the 4 you listed.

As an aside, I just got a 4001 in that exact same cream/black color combo, and man is it pretty.

Toolmybass · #**383** 09-18-2012, 10:51 AM

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As an aside, I just got a 4001 in that exact same cream/black color combo, and man is it pretty.

Sweet...almost bought one of those last year. I think it was a mid to late 80's one. How does it sound?

TMB

vegas532 · #**384** 09-18-2012, 12:49 PM

Paul may have been using a Stingray at that time, but it's bovious to mr what tone he was aiming for with that Ibanez bass. That appears to be a Seymour Duncan SRB-1b in there. Volume, tone, coil splitter...yup.

Dan B · #**385** 09-18-2012, 01:41 PM

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Paul never played an ATK with Tool in any form. Possibly after he left Tool

Was a Magnum I (not a III)

I thought it was a III. There was a 1992 bootleg which showed him playing something that wasn't a Rick and not a Stingray either but it had 2 horns similar to the Stingray.

So either he owned that Stingray prior to 1994 or he was playing a Magnum III. Once I have the time later I'll post the Youtube vid.

As for that ATK, my bet was that he used it with Lusk and possibly Feersum Enjinn (spelling?).

EDIT: here is the vid I was talking about:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gcXPCX8BSdk

Granted the lighting is not that great but it does look like a III, though it might be the angle of where he is standing.

NKUSigEp · #**386** 09-18-2012, 02:39 PM

Regardless of if he owned one or not, I cannot find a single photo of him with an ATK on Google. And the eBay auction on that old thread didn't offer any sort of proof that Paul actually owned it. Decals are extremely easy to create and until there is some sort of confirmation from the Ibanez folks...who I think would have jumped at the chance to add another artist name to their list...I think the answer to this debate is pretty clear.

Toolmybass · #**387** 09-18-2012, 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Dan B

I thought it was a III. There was a 1992 bootleg which showed him playing something that wasn't a Rick and not a Stingray either but it had 2 horns similar to the Stingray.

So either he owned that Stingray prior to 1994 or he was playing a Magnum III. Once I have the time later I'll post the Youtube vid.

As for that ATK, my bet was that he used it with Lusk and possibly Feersum Enjinn (spelling?).

EDIT: here is the vid I was talking about:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gcXPCX8BSdk

Granted the lighting is not that great but it does look like a III, though it might be the angle of where he is standing.

Dude you even found the video that we have ALL seen....it's a Magnum I

Dan B · #**388** 09-18-2012, 04:23 PM

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Dude you even found the video that we have ALL seen....it's a Magnum I

Alright; I stand corrected.

bigchiefbc · #**389** 09-18-2012, 09:57 PM

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Sweet...almost bought one of those last year. I think it was a mid to late 80's one. How does it sound?

TMB

Mine is a bit older, '76. It has that awesome Ric tone, not quite the same as Undertow. Reminds me more of Squire/Geddy tone-wise.

Samitch04 · #**390** 09-19-2012, 10:26 PM

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Ok so i compared them on the exact same settings, then reversed the order and did the same thing. They both sound identical and once i got in a good rhythm of switching them fast, without looking i couldnt tell which one was on.
Now i have seen Blue/Yellow+Silver Labels on ebay and sites, but havent tried any to compare. These two would actually be close in manufacturer dates but in 2 different countries.

Very cool man. Thanks for sharing.

Samitch04 · #**391** 09-19-2012, 10:37 PM

I don't think I've ever shared this info on this forum if i have, sorry for the repeat

A great Digitech Bass Whammy pedal alternative is the Line 6 M5 (really any of the m series but for a dedicated bass whammy alt i would recommend the m5)
The M5 and expression pedal are similar in size to the DBW and you can dial in all the harmonies and pitch shifters.
the the m5 use the setting i think it called "pitch shifter" under the filter section. Dial in your harmony by semitone. for instance the 5thup/6thup harmony, set the pedal in heel position turn the pitch shift to +7.0 semitones (a perfect fifth) mix set to 50%. move the pedal to toe down position and dial in the pitch shift to +9.0 semitones (major 6th) mix at 50%. save the setting and now you have that particular harmony setting.
There are more than enough banks to save a preset for each of the DBW settings.

Anyway, i thought i would share the affordable alternative to the Digitech bass whammy. I've never owned a DBW to compare the tracking to but in comparison to the recordings it sounds spot on.

Cheers!

consigliori · #**392** 12-18-2012, 11:35 PM

Hello, guys. I’m a huge fan of TOOL music and JC’s sound as well. I made this panoramic view of Justin's pedalboard directly out of Dunlop TV video about a year ago. Just a little bit of color correction and vu-a-la! Hope my work will help you somehow.
You can also check my band’s music which was greatly influenced by TOOL: http://www.facebook.com/axis.motion
Do not hesitate to ask any questions or inform me if you need higher resolution image.

And thanks all of you for a great post! I've got a lot of new information here.

vegas532 · #**393** 12-19-2012, 01:22 AM

This pic answers a lot of questions about his signal routing for me. Such as: Is that PE RX Overdriver actually even IN the signal path? (look closely)

Oreomeister365 · #**394** 12-19-2012, 01:37 PM

Kind of a curiosity for me, as I can't really experiment with this myself. Live, at least for 10k days Justin obviously uses plenty of tweeter, at least on his clean amp (which seems to make up the majority of his sound). Mesas have the selectable crossover, 3k, 4k, 5k. Anyone with a mesa cab take a guess as to which he uses?

pretty sure this is a recording of just the clean amp:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mRvNo...ExCh1K4Ovkutmg

vegas532 · #**395** 12-19-2012, 01:46 PM

There's less than you think. A lot of that is the voice of the GKs. There's NO tweeter on the dirty channel at all. I'd say 3k on the clean, but there's not a lot.

Oreomeister365 · #**396** 12-19-2012, 01:54 PM

Thanks. While you're here vegas...

I have a preamp that cuts off at 3k. Wal style. It also has a treble filter, I can select the frequency and the boost amount. Insofar as I can tell, he HAS to be using the "pick attack" on the wal to get his live tone. Confirm/deny? Could just be the act of having the tweeter x-over at 3k...though.

vegas532 · #**397** 12-19-2012, 02:38 PM

I don't believe he does, however, I've gotten better results engaging the pick attack and the pull bright on the treble pickup of my Wal.
Your ears are the best judge because a lot of it depends on the amp you're using. GKs are capable of being very bright overall.

Musicman1901 · #**398** 02-19-2013, 01:27 PM

This is not really tone related but how the hell does justin do what he does with effects without some kind of looper or something. Like the middle section of schism or the solo on the pot. He will have whammy, distortion, filter, delay all on at once then go back to a clean tone in 1 beat. How is he engaging all these pedals on and off so quickly

Toolmybass · #**399** 02-19-2013, 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Musicman1901

This is not really tone related but how the hell does justin do what he does with effects without some kind of looper or something. Like the middle section of schism or the solo on the pot. He will have whammy, distortion, filter, delay all on at once then go back to a clean tone in 1 beat. How is he engaging all these pedals on and off so quickly

He dances!...lol

Just before the change he starts to turn off the pedals the are effecting the trailing note/chord/sound the least. If you watch enough live vids on YT you will see him doing this.

I have a looper strip to avoid this

bigchiefbc · #**400** 02-19-2013, 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Musicman1901

This is not really tone related but how the hell does justin do what he does with effects without some kind of looper or something. Like the middle section of schism or the solo on the pot. He will have whammy, distortion, filter, delay all on at once then go back to a clean tone in 1 beat. How is he engaging all these pedals on and off so quickly

Yeah, as Toolmybass said, if you see him live, he definitely takes a few beats to get all of the pedals turned on/off. On the album, it's easy to get all the effects turned on, track the part, and then just punch it into the mix in the correct place.

For covering Tool songs live, I have my whammy, filter and a fuzz all together in a loop on a Boss LS-2, so I can turn them all on and off together on the beat.