Travelling Without Moving Live Synth/Fuzz Pedal?

[Ryan Mohr]

Does anyone know what pedal can get this exact sound, I'm not looking for something that's close, I want something that can nail that tone. Zender turns on the pedal at 7:45. Here's the link:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=3Mdj8gnJKEY

[bongomania]

That's fully a synth being triggered. Maybe the Korg G5 could do it, you could check with one of the G5 users here. The funny thing is that sound would be totally easy and cheap to achieve with a keyboard, but insanely difficult and expensive using a bass.

[Ryan Mohr]

Originally Posted by bongomania

That's fully a synth being triggered. Maybe the Korg G5 could do it, you could check with one of the G5 users here. The funny thing is that sound would be totally easy and cheap to achieve with a keyboard, but insanely difficult and expensive using a bass.

Zender only used the ME-8B live so could that be just a fuzz patch mixed with a synth patch?

[bongomania]

Well, a fuzz could be part of the sound, but I'm calling it 100% synth. I.e. no bass guitar in that tone.

[Ryan Mohr]

Originally Posted by bongomania

Well, a fuzz could be part of the sound, but I'm calling it 100% synth. I.e. no bass guitar in that tone.

I am very confused on the fuzz vs. synth thing, whenever I think of synth I think of a heavily gated fuzz, but the synth on pedals is always these weird filters and sounds that are useless. And when people say that you can combine a filter and fuzz to make a synth, but a lot of times there is no filter in the synth.

[Ryan Mohr]

Originally Posted by bongomania

Well, a fuzz could be part of the sound, but I'm calling it 100% synth. I.e. no bass guitar in that tone.

I misinterpreted you there, how could it be 100% synth if you see him playing the riff?

[unclejam]

Originally Posted by AqueousView11

I misinterpreted you there, how could it be 100% synth if you see him playing the riff?

+1

[bongomania]

"Fuzz" can be interpreted fairly broadly. "Synth" is even more widely, wildly interpretable than that. "Synth" just means "synthesized", i.e. created from raw material components that did not occur in nature, or where the form that the synthesized substance/sound takes is similar to something in nature, but was developed in a laboratory or in a computer, etc.

A "synth sound" is one where the entire sound was generated by electronic components; or in a funny reversal, where organic components (such as a bass guitar being filtered and clipped) are used to imitate the synthetic.

So yes many people use a fuzz and a filter to create "synth sounds", but it's only one sound really; whereas an actual synth is capable of a very, very, very wide range of completely different sounds.

The reason I'm harping on the word "synth" in saying that's what I hear in that video is because it sounds to me more like the types of sound I can easily create using a synthesizer than like the sound people make when they run their bass into a fuzz and a filter.

IMO <--big

[bongomania]

Originally Posted by AqueousView11

I misinterpreted you there, how could it be 100% synth if you see him playing the riff?

He is controlling the synth brain using his bass as a trigger.

[Ryan Mohr]

Originally Posted by bongomania

"Fuzz" can be interpreted fairly broadly. "Synth" is even more widely, wildly interpretable than that. "Synth" just means "synthesized", i.e. created from raw material components that did not occur in nature, or where the form that the synthesized substance/sound takes is similar to something in nature, but was developed in a laboratory or in a computer, etc.

A "synth sound" is one where the entire sound was generated by electronic components; or in a funny reversal, where organic components (such as a bass guitar being filtered and clipped) are used to imitate the synthetic.

So yes many people use a fuzz and a filter to create "synth sounds", but it's only one sound really; whereas an actual synth is capable of a very, very, very wide range of completely different sounds.

The reason I'm harping on the word "synth" in saying that's what I hear in that video is because it sounds to me more like the types of sound I can easily create using a synthesizer than like the sound people make when they run their bass into a fuzz and a filter.

IMO <--big

First off thanks for the big explanation. Second, are you saying that he isn't playing the riff, or are you saying that he is playing the riff with a synth pedal. Sorry for my confusion

[Ryan Mohr]

Originally Posted by bongomania

He is controlling the synth brain using his bass as a trigger.

Pardon my ignorance, but what does that mean?

[unclejam]

Originally Posted by AqueousView11

Pardon my ignorance, but what does that mean?

+1 and links please to said devices

[fokof]

From what I hear of that clip ,in the bridge of the 1st song, sounds like the kbd player is playing unisson line with the bass player.......

In the 2nd song , sounds like a Boss SYB5 ......

[bongomania]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Synthesizer
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transducer

A synthesizer is an electronic instrument that generates its own sounds. It can be controlled by literally anything that can move, light up, change temperature, or otherwise change its state or position, as there are devices called "transducers" which convert any one type of change (like a note being played) into an electrical pulse or electrical change- and those electrical pulses or changes can be interpreted by an electronic device as "control information" like on/off, one note or another note, etc. Different synthesizers are designed/built with different types of controls: some have keyboards, some have touch screens, some have antennae, some are designed to be triggered by a guitar or bass.

[Ryan Mohr]

Originally Posted by bongomania

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Synthesizer
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transducer

A synthesizer is an electronic instrument that generates its own sounds. It can be controlled by literally anything that can move, light up, change temperature, or otherwise change its state or position, as there are devices called "transducers" which convert any one type of change (like a note being played) into an electrical pulse or electrical change- and those electrical pulses or changes can be interpreted by an electronic device as "control information" like on/off, one note or another note, etc. Different synthesizers are designed/built with different types of controls: some have keyboards, some have touch screens, some have antennae, some are designed to be triggered by a guitar or bass.

Thank you for the clarification. What is an example of such a device?

[bongomania]

http://www.zzounds.com/cat--Roland-Guitar-Synth--3346
http://www.roland.com/products/en/GR-20/index.html
http://www.joness.com/gr300/korgz3.htm
http://www.sweetwater.com/store/manufacturer/Axon

"and many more"

[bongomania]

Oh, and for all I know maybe the ME-8B is capable of producing this sound- I've never tried one.

[Ryan Mohr]

Bongo - I appreciate all the links and explanations. I have one final question, I have the ME-6B, which Zender used prior to the Me-8B, should i use a heavy fuzz patch, or should i combine it with filter/other synth?

[bongomania]

Beats me- I've never used one. But I'm sure somebody else here is familiar with it.

[Higgie]

Originally Posted by AqueousView11

Bongo - I appreciate all the links and explanations. I have one final question, I have the ME-6B, which Zender used prior to the Me-8B, should i use a heavy fuzz patch, or should i combine it with filter/other synth?

Just try it out for yourself. Experiment with everything in the pedal. If you don't get what you want after experimenting, then it would be time to upgrade to something else.