Is this a tremolo?

Gonzo476 · #1 03-27-2010, 07:11 AM

Is the guitar player using a tremolo pedal to get that machine-gun like sond at 0:40 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1d3gf9M7qQA or is it another effect?

Swift713 · #2 03-27-2010, 07:18 AM

That sounds like a drum sample to me. If it is guitar it's a delay not a tremolo but I really think it's part of the drum track. He may have triggered that fill with a footswitch.

fightthepower · #3 03-27-2010, 07:58 AM

Delay I think. I don't think its a drum sample, unless he's faking it with the hand gestures and stepping on a fake pedal

(though lets face it... not an unlikely proposition these days!...) Based on the guitar tone, I think it was real. It looks like he's stepping on a DD-3/5/6/7 and using the hold function.

OilcanRacer · #4 03-27-2010, 10:13 AM

on their other viddys there are more sampled sounds and a few more pedals i could not make out. that performance must have been lipsinc'ed. i would vote for triggered or sample pedal.

Gonzo476 · #5 03-28-2010, 11:21 AM

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Originally Posted by OilcanRacer

on their other viddys there are more sampled sounds and a few more pedals i could not make out. that performance must have been lipsinc'ed. i would vote for triggered or sample pedal.

Ok, let's suppose that's a drum sample. Here's another example of the sound I'm after at 0:33-0:34 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jIR5y9jksgI. In this case it's clear that the guitarist is making that weird machine-gun noise...isn't it?

If so, what pedal is he using?

Swimming Bird · #6 03-28-2010, 12:11 PM

It's probably a Line 6 DL4. It's pretty common to use the looper as a resampling effect. It could also be one of the aforementioned Boss delays.

Here's the exact same usage of the DL4 in a different context.

EDIT: just tried it on my DD-6 and it could be almost any looping delay. Probably not a loop station as they usually have to record for at least a second or two.

faceinbass · #7 03-28-2010, 12:13 PM

Boss DD6.

This is strange.
This topic has come up elsewhere recently.

Mingus Addict · #8 03-28-2010, 12:23 PM

Actually I wouldn't call it exactly the same usage. In MTB, Dave Knudson taps the single play button on the DL4 every time you hear the sampled guitar chord. He uses multiple DL-4's to have multiple chords.

In the examples given by the OP the samples are triggering very quickly and I don't see the guitarists frantically taping pedals with their foot at those speeds.

Gonzo476 · #9 03-28-2010, 12:24 PM

Thanks for the replies so far. Would a BOSS DD-3 or DD-7 (BTW what is the difference between them) http://www.bossus.com/gear/productlist.php?ParentId=255 or a Line 6 Echo Park do the trick? http://www.tonefactor.com/proddetail...chopark&cat=89

Jazz Ad · #10 03-28-2010, 12:37 PM

To me it's a sample, probably triggered by the drummer rather than the guitarist.
Even if it's not, it would be a much simpler way to achieve this.

faceinbass · #11 03-28-2010, 12:50 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WvVDd...layer_embedded

Swimming Bird · #12 03-28-2010, 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Mingus Addict

Actually I wouldn't call it exactly the same usage. In MTB, Dave Knudson taps the single play button on the DL4 every time you hear the sampled guitar chord. He uses multiple DL-4's to have multiple chords.

In the examples given by the OP the samples are triggering very quickly and I don't see the guitarists frantically taping pedals with their foot at those speeds.

Hmm, I wasn't aware that's how he did it. Makes sense to have pre-done loops at the right pitch and repeat rate, but I don't know how the DL4 operates specifically.

With the Boss delays w/loop function, you record by holding the pedal down and releasing starts playback. Playback is stopped by hitting the pedal again. I feel like a lot of the delays w/loop function operate this way (as opposed to loop stations where you hit once to start record and once to start playback).

Also, in the original video, the guitarist makes a bunch of percussive string noise right before he hits the pedal (or sampler trigger). That's either to get a good percussive sound for the effect or as some showmanship before hitting a sample. Dunno.

fightthepower · #13 03-28-2010, 03:07 PM

You can clearly see him stepping on the DD delay, which is how its been done every other time I've seen a guitarist/bassist do it. (well, that or the DL4). Im sticking with that-- whether or not the whole gig is lip synced for that TV show, Im betting that (during regular gigs) he's really kicking his amp/reverb in the beginning, and really making those percussive sounds while doing the hold-mode delay trick with the DD-series Boss delay.

Gonzo476 · #14 03-28-2010, 03:24 PM

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Originally Posted by faceinbass

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WvVDd...layer_embedded

That's exactly what I'm looking for. Will the DD-3 or DD-7 do the same?

Peppacone · #15 03-28-2010, 04:25 PM

There's no way he changed the tone on his guitar that radically, did a hold trick with a delay pedal, and switched his tone back. Definitely a sample, but a similar effect is definitely possible with the pedals mentioned in this thread.

Gonzo476 · #16 03-28-2010, 04:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Peppacone

There's no way he changed the tone on his guitar that radically, did a hold trick with a delay pedal, and switched his tone back. Definitely a sample, but a similar effect is definitely possible with the pedals mentioned in this thread.

It seems I need to start saving for a DD-7 then...getting into electronica and becoming an experimental bassist is ******* expensive...

OilcanRacer · #17 03-28-2010, 07:00 PM

look into a rc-2 or rc-20 if you want to do that kind of stuff. more versital and easier to pull off on stage.

fightthepower · #18 03-28-2010, 07:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Peppacone

There's no way he changed the tone on his guitar that radically, did a hold trick with a delay pedal, and switched his tone back. Definitely a sample, but a similar effect is definitely possible with the pedals mentioned in this thread.

His tone is already distorted, there is no tone changing necessary. The short repeating live-sample creates its own crunch in a sense from the hard cuttoff(at both ends) at peak amplitude, and he seems to be playing the amp a bit- playing lightly with a distorted signal and a bit of spring reverb, and when he plays harder it gets dirtier and a little more washed out towards the end. He strikes the strings harder when he does the stutter thing.

Here is a new 'stutter/glitch' pedal from HEXE that operates in a similar manner as the DD-hold function is sometimes used, taking up to 1s sample and instantly repeating. Notice the change in tone as the pedal is activated:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QujNUpJzouQ

This would also be a good pedal for the OP.

faceinbass · #19 03-28-2010, 08:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Gonzo476

That's exactly what I'm looking for. Will the DD-3 or DD-7 do the same?

I do not know the answer to that, I am sorry.

But if that is what you want, I would buy the dd6.

Swimming Bird · #20 03-28-2010, 08:26 PM

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Originally Posted by OilcanRacer

look into a rc-2 or rc-20 if you want to do that kind of stuff. more versital and easier to pull off on stage.

I don't know about the RC-2, but the RC-20xl definitely can't do this trick. IME it has a minimum loop time of well over a second and playback doesn't begin immediately with very short loops.