Ultimate Power Source for a Pedalboard?

behndy · #1 03-17-2010, 12:39 AM

hey there all.

was thinking about trying to clean up things a bit on the underside of my board, and was considering trying something like the Fuel Tank.

i have 10 pedals that use normal 9v boss style power (i'm daisy chaining them through a One-Spot) and 3 pedals that use there own brick supply. they are a MusicOmLab's EFX II (bypass looper), an Eventide Pitch Factor and a Line6 M9.

does anybody recommend something that could power all of these?

thanks much!

-0behn desu0-

ezrs · #2 03-17-2010, 12:56 AM

i would check out the voodoo lab pedal power 2 plus. i have one and love it!

bassman1185 · #3 03-17-2010, 05:27 AM

It kind of depends on what kind of pedals you have. If you don't have any digital pedals, or you only have one, then a simple daisy chain connector like the ones One Spot makes will work fine. The more expensive power supplies like the BBE Supa Chargers and VooDoo Labs Pedal Power are only really advantageous if you have multiple digital pedals, since they often don't get along with each other on the same power circuit. The higher-end power supplies usually have isolated outputs so you can avoid some of the noise issuses you can run into with digital pedals. The more expensive supplies can often change their output voltage, so if you have pedals that need more than 9 volts, that can be handy.

Personally, I use a BBE Supa Charger because my delay and tuner didn't get along on my old non-isolated supply.

comrade73 · #4 03-17-2010, 05:49 AM

I'm using a Godlyke Power-All with no problems so far. One Spot is very similar and probably works just as well. They also allow for different types of plugs (ie: center negative, center positive, 9V, etc). Probably the cheapest, simplest way to get the job done IMO.

cheapbasslovin · #5 03-17-2010, 05:58 AM

I think a Burkey flatliner pro will get you close. It has a 1000mA 9VAC which should power your M9. It has two 12 volt outlets at 200mA but one is on a SAG control so it may be dangerous to put it in parallel to power your switcher. I'd contact Burkey before trying that if you could. You could try running your switcher off 9V and there is plenty of capacity at 9v if it will work. I think you'll still be SOL on the Pitchfactor, though, that thing draws a ton of power.

**kenstee** · #6 03-17-2010, 06:57 AM

Would consider the PP2+ ONLY because it has an electric plug outlet on back of the unit which could also power your Eventide. So, it would be a cleaner set-up for you. Otherwise, I might go with a T-Rex Fuel Tank Jr. depending on the power draw of the M9.

ItsMichaelYeah · #7 03-17-2010, 07:37 AM

You can't hook up an m9 to the pp2+ it's ma draw is too much for the regular connection. You would need to use the outlet on the back.

FuzzBoxVoodoo · #8 03-17-2010, 08:26 AM

I had to upgrade my power supply to the Voodoo Lab 2 because my One Spot couldnt keep up with the 5 pedals on my board and my EBS Multicomp would clip when I would pop and slap,which wasnt that fun to track down.

afroman · #9 03-17-2010, 09:33 AM

If your looking at the PP2, I'd recommend the BBE SupaCharger. I've had both and the BBE is cheaper and includes more, longer and right-angled cables.

If you don't need the SAG battery outputs of the PP2, I'd say go with the SupaCharger.

behndy · #10 03-17-2010, 02:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bassman1185

If you don't have any digital pedals, or you only have one, then a simple daisy chain connector like the ones One Spot makes will work fine. The more expensive power supplies like the BBE Supa Chargers and VooDoo Labs Pedal Power are only really advantageous if you have multiple digital pedals, since they often don't get along with each other on the same power circuit.

hey B.Man.

yeah... for digital pedals i have a Filter Factory and a M9. i DO use a one spot for everything else. i didn't know that there were noise issues if they shared the same circuit. thanks for the heads-up.

on the more expensive ones like the BBE Supa CHarger or VooDoo Labs do you usually have outputs that are higher voltage for higher draw pedals?

urm....

M9 = 9v 2000ma
Pitch Factor = 9 VDC, 1200 mA, Tip hot (+)
MusicOm Labs EFX II = 12v operation - 400ma minimum supply

i'm a bit of a goof about ac vs dc. i can match up the volts... but would these work with something like the VooDoo (that you do) Lab or the Supa Chargah?

thanks much!

-0behn desu0-

behndy · #11 03-17-2010, 02:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cheapbasslovin

I think a Burkey flatliner pro will get you close. It has a 1000mA 9VAC which should power your M9. It has two 12 volt outlets at 200mA but one is on a SAG control so it may be dangerous to put it in parallel to power your switcher. I'd contact Burkey before trying that if you could. You could try running your switcher off 9V and there is plenty of capacity at 9v if it will work. I think you'll still be SOL on the Pitchfactor, though, that thing draws a ton of power.

lol @ Pitch Factor SOL. yah. it's a little beasty.

thanks. i'll check out the Burkey.

-0behn desu0-

lowfreq33 · #12 03-17-2010, 02:50 PM

The voodoo can do 9, 12, and 18 volts. There are dip switches on the bottom.

behndy · #13 03-17-2010, 03:04 PM

gotcha.

-0behn desu0-

Sabu · #14 03-17-2010, 03:07 PM

Had a Power-All for a while but it started introducing noise into the signal path....a noticeable humming. I traded it and got a BBE SupaCharger instead, no problems so far.

bassman1185 · #15 03-17-2010, 03:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by behndy

hey B.Man.

yeah... for digital pedals i have a Filter Factory and a M9. i DO use a one spot for everything else. i didn't know that there were noise issues if they shared the same circuit. thanks for the heads-up.

on the more expensive ones like the BBE Supa CHarger or VooDoo Labs do you usually have outputs that are higher voltage for higher draw pedals?

urm....

M9 = 9v 2000ma
Pitch Factor = 9 VDC, 1200 mA, Tip hot (+)
MusicOm Labs EFX II = 12v operation - 400ma minimum supply

i'm a bit of a goof about ac vs dc. i can match up the volts... but would these work with something like the VooDoo (that you do) Lab or the Supa Chargah?

thanks much!

-0behn desu0-

I can't say that you will ALWAYS have noise running them off of the same power supply, but that was a huge part of what drove me to buy my Supa Charger. My Planet Waves Tru Strobe tuner and my EHX Stereo Memory Man were both making tons of digital/LED noise when they were engaged, but the Supa Charger took care of that.

The biggest thing you need to be careful of is the MA draw. Most of the nicer supplies like the PP2 or Supa Charger will only put out 100-300ma per output, so they won't power your PitchFactor or the EFX II.

Given the number and diversity of pedals you have, you really might be best served by mounting a plug strip on your board and using individual wall warts for the pedals you can't power with the One Spot.

behndy · #16 03-17-2010, 09:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bassman1185

Given the number and diversity of pedals you have, you really might be best served by mounting a plug strip on your board and using individual wall warts for the pedals you can't power with the One Spot.

yah..... that's pretty much what i'm doing now. i have a little 3 outlet with a couple of those 2 outlet mini wall wart removers. then it goes into the Furman conditioner in my rack.

sigh..... just wanted a super elegant solution.

thanks for the info everybody!

you all rokk.

-0behn desu0-

Mike19 · #17 03-19-2010, 09:23 PM

What's wrong with using batteries?

>They eliminate any power supply noise.
> They eliminate any danger from power spikes and the need for surge suppression.
> Less wires = a less messy board.
> Many modern pedals have an LED to warn when the battery charge is getting low.

gus1894 · #18 03-19-2010, 09:34 PM

You'll definitely want to stick to the Voodoo Labs Pedal Power in regards to the M9. When I was searching for pedal power options to pair with my M9, I spoke to Rich from Line 6 regarding this. The Voodoo Labs (w/ the auxilary outlet on the opposite side from the 9V and 12V outlets) is one of the few - I believe he said the only- ones that can properly power the M9.

W/O the M9 in the mix, I've used the BBE Supa-Charger and the T-Rex Feul Tank Jr and they both worked great.

behndy · #19 03-19-2010, 11:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mike19

What's wrong with using batteries?

>They eliminate any power supply noise.
> They eliminate any danger from power spikes and the need for surge suppression.
> Less wires = a less messy board.
> Many modern pedals have an LED to warn when the battery charge is getting low.

lol.... you're kidding right?

you do know that pedals are VELCRO'D down and are kinda a pain to get up? and with a lot of pedals on your board, running through a bypass looper, you have a bunch of them on all the time even if they're not being used?

sounds like a NIGHTMARE to keep track of. and i think you'd go through about a billion 9 volts. AND bigger things like the M9 and Pitch Factor CAN'T run off batteries.

woof.

-0behn desu0-

behndy · #20 03-19-2010, 11:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gus1894

You'll definitely want to stick to the Voodoo Labs Pedal Power in regards to the M9. When I was searching for pedal power options to pair with my M9, I spoke to Rich from Line 6 regarding this. The Voodoo Labs (w/ the auxilary outlet on the opposite side from the 9V and 12V outlets) is one of the few - I believe he said the only- ones that can properly power the M9.

W/O the M9 in the mix, I've used the BBE Supa-Charger and the T-Rex Feul Tank Jr and they both worked great.

good stuff.

i'm still trying to decide if it's gonna save me any actual real estate underneath the board to go this route.

thanks!

-0behn desu0-