What does a bypass looper do?

[suitlandkid2005]

What is the function of a bypass looper? Also, what is a good example of using one?

[OptimusPrime]

It makes effects that aren't true bypass, true bypass so you don't lose any tone. Also, you can keep multiple effects in the look and turn them all on at once.

[rratajski]

Consult www.loop-master.com. Eat his brains and gain his knowledge.

[niftydog]

Originally Posted by OptimusPrime

...so you don't lose any tone.

If this were wikipedia that comment would be labelled subjective and someone would edit it out! That's the theory, but the reality is somewhat less black and white.

To the OP, look for stuff about the true bypass debate and you'll find plenty of discussion - which you can promptly ignore and just try it out for yourself.

[suitlandkid2005]

Originally Posted by niftydog

If this were wikipedia that comment would be labelled subjective and someone would edit it out! That's the theory, but the reality is somewhat less black and white.

To the OP, look for stuff about the true bypass debate and you'll find plenty of discussion - which you can promptly ignore and just try it out for yourself.

I will look into that. I don't even know the concept of true bypass and how to tell if pedals are true bypass or not. I will do some research. Now in the meantime, if anyone else wants to give their 2 cents then I would greatly appreciate it.

[Deepbuzz]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Effects_pedal#Guitar

About two sentences in or so.

[Mark Latimour]

I have a bypass looper on my pedal board, it has two effects loops in series. Basically its set up so I can run my signal clean (ie through no effects) or put the effects into the chain as necessary. Its set up as follows:

Loop 1: Bassdrive Mosfet -=> EBS Octobass -=> Octavius Squeezer
Loop 2: Line 6 JM4 (Phrase sampler)

The reason I like it is that I can have a clean signal going into the JM4 for practicing etc, but if I want to add effects I can engage that loop and add the effects. The effects can be on and ready to go without having to individually turn the effects off. Its nothing amazing, but its kinda easy and not very expensive (my pedal was only like £40).

[AlembicPlayer]

another one of the perks of using a looper/true bypass/switcher is pedal independence...meaning, if one of your pedals fails, your signal does not, you simply take the failed pedal out of the chain in one click and the show goes on. A tuner out is essential for the same reasons.

[suitlandkid2005]

ok cool..thanks guys...

[3toes]

Bump.

Just a quick question. Say I have some effects that I always tend to play simultaneously (i.e. an envelope filter and an octave pedal), and one or two others that I typically just play solo (i.e. synth). With a bypass looper I'd be able to leave them all on and essentially have channels where I can step on each switch and have:

Channel 1: Envelope + Octave

Channel 2: Synth

as well as a completely clean bypass signal?

[Jared Lash]

Originally Posted by 3toes

Bump.

Just a quick question. Say I have some effects that I always tend to play simultaneously (i.e. an envelope filter and an octave pedal), and one or two others that I typically just play solo (i.e. synth). With a bypass looper I'd be able to leave them all on and essentially have channels where I can step on each switch and have:

Channel 1: Envelope + Octave

Channel 2: Synth

as well as a completely clean bypass signal?

Yes.

[3toes]

Fan-freakin-tastic. Thanks.

[Jared Lash]

Originally Posted by 3toes

Fan-freakin-tastic. Thanks.

If you haven't already, take a look at the Loop-Master site. He can set you up with pretty much anything you need in this regard.

http://www.loop-master.com/

[3toes]

Yeah, I've been looking through there a good bit. I guess I could just send him a msg... but say I wanted to have it where each pedal has its own channel as well as some channels where they're on together...

i.e. 1 = Envelope, 2 = Octave, 3 = Env + Oct, etc.

Would that just require more patch cables and such?

[3toes]

Ok so I haven't heard back from the Loop Master... here's a little diagram of what I'm looking to accomplish, if that'll help clear things up:

Bass -> Micro POG WET ---------------------------> Amp
                  DRY -> Enigma WET ------------/
                       \        DRY --> Synth -/
                        \------------/

Edit: Nevermind, I think I've got it.

[FunkyLemz]

you need 2 loops and yes more cables

[3toes]

Actually what I think I can do is only use the Returns of the looper (except for the first) since the Dry out of the previous pedal is serving as the "Send" to the next pedal.

[Bryan R. Tyler]

That's not going to work too well. With the way you've shown it, the only way you'll be able to have the SYB enter your signal chain is if you have both loops 1 AND 3 on, because it will need a signal into it to turn on, and keeping loop 1 off will prevent that from happening. And since the SYB would only be receiving the dry signal from the Micro POG and Enigma, there's no reason to have it not just get its input from the send of loop 3. The LMB-3 and Enigma will only be able to enter your chain if loops 1 and 2 are on as well.

[Bryan R. Tyler]

BTW, if you list all the options you'd like to have exactly how you'd like to use them, I'll let you know the best way to do it if I can. I've gone through tons of loop routing options over the years.

[3toes]

Originally Posted by Bryan R. Tyler

That's not going to work too well. With the way you've shown it, the only way you'll be able to have the SYB enter your signal chain is if you have both loops 1 AND 3 on, because it will need a signal into it to turn on, and keeping loop 1 off will prevent that from happening. And since the SYB would only be receiving the dry signal from the Micro POG and Enigma, there's no reason to have it not just get its input from the send of loop 3. The LMB-3 and Enigma will only be able to enter your chain if loops 1 and 2 are on as well.

It's my understanding that the Dry Outs of the two EHX pedals are always carrying signal, regardless of what's "on." If Drys are not part of the Bypass Looper shouldn't they therefore not have to be on?

I know for a fact that if I even completely remove power from my Enigma, it still carries signal down the chain.