THIS is why every bass player needs a RAT

[Josh Pelican]

I was hoping the Iron Pig wouldn't be as good as the Rat Tail so I could flip it. Both pedals are amazing.

[AmpedSilence]

Originally Posted by Josh Pelican

I was hoping the Iron Pig wouldn't be as good as the Rat Tail so I could flip it. Both pedals are amazing.

Is the IP as good but different enough from the RT?

I had an RT and it was sweet, however the grass is always greener...blah blah blah...

[Lebowsky]

anyone one with setting suggestions on how to get close to the sounds in those 2 first videos (not the incubus on ) with a rat tail?

I'm much closer to the Young Widows one using a cranked BB preamp into a Pickle Pie B, that gets me close to Brian Cook's on the heaviest Russian Circle parts as well. My Rat Tail ist just much more dirtier than loud/heavy.

[rratajski]

Originally Posted by Lebowsky

anyone one with setting suggestions on how to get close to the sounds in those 2 first videos (not the incubus on ) with a rat tail?

I'm much closer to the Young Widows one using a cranked BB preamp into a Pickle Pie B, that gets me close to Brian Cook's on the heaviest Russian Circle parts as well. My Rat Tail ist just much more dirtier than loud/heavy.

What amp/cab/bass are you using?

[skulletwhip]

i do this for a widows tone:
volume: to taste
Filter: a little above nine o'clock
distortion: about ten o'clock
One: noon
Two: 3o'clock ish
switch: middle
I use a Gibson Grabber into a Rusty Box into a Hartke LH3500 set as flat as I can get it.

[MrThunderfoot]

Originally Posted by skulletwhip

i do this for a widows tone:
volume: to taste
Filter: a little above nine o'clock
distortion: about ten o'clock
One: noon
Two: 3o'clock ish
switch: middle
I use a Gibson Grabber into a Rusty Box into a Hartke LH3500 set as flat as I can get it.

My rat tail settings are almost the same as this. I know the young widows sound is pushed solid state but turning the gain up on a tube pre amp/head till you get a little hair on it sounds really nasty as well

[Lebowsky]

Originally Posted by rratajski

What amp/cab/bass are you using?

Gibson Ripper -> Rat -> GK 1001RB-II (1x15 + 2x10 RBH cabs)

theres a rusty box between the pedals and the amp as well, but I use it to change my sound on certain songs so it's usually not on when the rat is on. that can change though

[rratajski]

Originally Posted by Lebowsky

Gibson Ripper -> Rat -> GK 1001RB-II (1x15 + 2x10 RBH cabs)

theres a rusty box between the pedals and the amp as well, but I use it to change my sound on certain songs so it's usually not on when the rat is on. that can change though

The 2x10 may have something to do with your problem. Too tinty/trebly compared with Nick's 15s. Set your amp flat, the. Bump your bass and low mids. Move your RT settings to toggle middle, tone filter to 9:00 or 8:00, distortion to 11:00 or 12:00, 1 and 2 to 3:00ish.

[Lebowsky]

thx ryan and the others! will try those settings tonight

[skulletwhip]

How'd it go?

[Lebowsky]

sorry I went on holidays shortly after. Yes it's like Ryan said. My cabs are probably not bassy enough. I'm gonna keep the BB Preamp & Pickle Pie B, where the bass are boostable to do those very heavy distortions, and use the Rat Tail more for slight overdrives

[makanudo]

Rat or B3k?

[pkw13]

Both! Buy a B3K, and build yourself a RAT to your taste. As the thread title says: every bass player needs a RAT!

[jpTron]

bad ass tone.

[sbpark]

I have an all original RAT with the LM308 chip from the early 80's and it sounds absolutely amazing with a guitar. Very similar to an old 50watt JCM800 Marshall head I used to own, but can't get it to sound that great with my P-bass.

[skeevy]

How does a turbo rat modded with the (I think it's the lm-308 chip) differ from the rat tail being raved about in this thread? Mainly the low end retention?

[Darknut]

You need a dry blend pedal

Originally Posted by sbpark

I have an all original RAT with the LM308 chip from the early 80's and it sounds absolutely amazing with a guitar. Very similar to an old 50watt JCM800 Marshall head I used to own, but can't get it to sound that great with my P-bass.

[taurus1]

I've been using RATS for years, and original, an old Turbo (w/LM308) and a 1991 V.1 Ri (bought new). I use a BOSS GEB-7 eq or I blend with a BOSS LS-2 or Radial Big Shot Mix. all of them lack bottom end but when eq'd or blended they work really well.
the RAT and bass have been known about for a more than a decade before these bands existed, nothing new.

[sbpark]

Originally Posted by taurus1

I've been using RATS for years, and original, an old Turbo (w/LM308) and a 1991 V.1 Ri (bought new). I use a BOSS GEB-7 eq or I blend with a BOSS LS-2 or Radial Big Shot Mix. all of them lack bottom end but when eq'd or blended they work really well.
the RAT and bass have been known about for a more than a decade before these bands existed, nothing new.

So if I were to pick up a Boss LS-2 should I also pick up an EQ pedal dedicated for the RAT to dial it in better? Would be cool to be able to get those same sounds that Melvin Gibbs used to get with Rollins Band, or tones like Unsane and Quicksand.

[Jawbone]

Originally Posted by Plays_For_Dog

No one has bothered to mention that Nick Thieneman of Young Widows uses a Fuzzrocious Rat Tail. Says he owns one on Fuzzrocious' website. Seems rather relevant

Doesn't say so in this 2011 interview: Classic Rat and Bluebeard. I doubt, but could be wrong, that he'd replace the classic rat with a rat clone. Those things are like gold.

And have you ever noticed: no matter how hard these clone builders try to duplicate the electronics and tone of the ORIGINALS they're always off. Why can't they be original like the first wave. We don't need cheap imitations.

http://gearnerd.info/post/3367928862...g-widows-black