This will destroy you - Bass sound??

kepallino_hh · #1 07-12-2010, 05:00 PM

Hi,
am new in TalkBass, although I have been lurking here since long time.
Am also new with sound catching, I have never covered a band up.
But in this case I badly need to get my bass sound as closer as I can get to the bass in this video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Th20RfvdXKo

I think there is some sort of valve drive in this sound, or maybe some light muff distortion...
(I LOVE THIS SONG BTW)
Any idea? We are writing a new song and I really wish to get a similar sound for it.

I would appreciate any sort of hint

Thank you in advance,
Sergio.

MY CURRENT BASS GEAR:
- 1980 Ibanez Musician MC840Ds
- Trace Elliot 7210H (just the head)
- HARTKE transporter TP410 4x10"
- Trace Elliot 1513 1x15"
- Trace Elliot Dual Compressor
- Ernie Ball VP-Jr

sanfordandsonny · #2 07-12-2010, 05:04 PM

It wouldn't hurt to ask through the messaging available at the actual You Tube posting then you can figure what would help you attain that w your rig

moggieman · #3 07-12-2010, 05:08 PM

I saw them live about a month back. Their bassist was definitely using a fuzz but I couldn't see exactly it was.

**bass4worship** · #4 07-12-2010, 05:09 PM

Go to a studio..no joke. Trying to sound like someone else is not easy. What rig is he using and what bass, is he using any FX and strings.

kepallino_hh · #5 07-12-2010, 05:14 PM

Hi again, was still editing my post and got already 3 replies
WOW i love this forum

@sanfordandsonny: that's a good idea, thank you!!
@moggieman: I am watching other videos right now, yes, he uses a "white" thing but i cannot get what it is, and I am not sure he uses the same gear for that song
@bass4worship: thank you, for that I have no time, just using my night hours to improve the sound

@all: Question: what differentiates a valve drive from a fuzz (muff-like) sound?

Thanks guys!

crazyBassClown · #6 07-12-2010, 05:25 PM

Depending on what part of the sound you are trying to emulate, but if it is the "spaciousness" of the sound then i suggest you go find a good recording studio and set up a few room mics, then move them around until you get a sound you like.
In my opinion thats the way they got the sound on that recording, probably rom the drum overhead mic.

A reverb or delay might get you near it if you play around with them.

254 stringer · #7 07-12-2010, 05:32 PM

Am I hearing the bass right it's so distorted you can't make out anything you could probably do that with a muff or two and unplug the cord from the bass and touch the tip I feel sorry for studio engineers

kepallino_hh · #8 07-12-2010, 05:39 PM

@crazyBassClown: yes, it is also the spaciousness which is attracting me. I think I will try with a light muff and reverb.
The guy (Dono) uses gk1001RB when he gigs around, so not really valve distorsion from the amp. I wonder if giving it some valve preamp would help. Going to test a HK Tube Factor this week

@254_stringer: eheheh you made me laugh, but honestly, I am wishing to sound like that at least for this song :-D
tnx again

sanfordandsonny · #9 07-12-2010, 05:56 PM

I have found it helpful when someone says "I like the sound in this clip especially between x min:sec and y min:sec" because then you get more people helping you with the exact section you would like to emulate.
If you can try out an ART Tube MP with the muff I always recommend starting at the least inexpensive option first and the MP is also helpful in other audio applications for $30-40!

sanfordandsonny · #10 07-12-2010, 06:16 PM

Also it's awesome that your signature is your rig so you don't have to hear people say "buy an svt" buy this buy that blah blah blah
good luck

kepallino_hh · #11 07-17-2010, 07:51 AM

ok, maybe it's not

the thread of the year, but i managed to get in touch with the guys playing:
the bass player uses a "cheap bass through fuzz war pedal through a DI" (quoted)

Which does not say too much about the DI, but enough for the distorsion gear.

I see it's not easy to get a fuzz war in europe.
Any suggestion, which other pedal reminds of this fuzz war thingy?

Ciao e grazie!
Sergio.

kepallino_hh · #12 07-17-2010, 09:41 AM

I think I am alone here

btw, googleing and youtubeing I find the

Catalinbread SFT

Quite similar, at the same time more gentle!

Valerus · #13 07-17-2010, 10:38 AM

I think a fuzz would be better than an SFT for this purpose.

Get some wild fuzz pedal, downtune your strings, and just crank gain, go to town

Matt Dean · #14 07-17-2010, 10:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Valerus

I think a fuzz would be better than an SFT for this purpose.

Get some wild fuzz pedal, downtune your strings, and just crank gain, go to town

I agree... sft is a very good low gain pedal, but for this I think an over the top fuzz would get you there quicker.

kepallino_hh · #15 07-18-2010, 09:23 AM

Cool! this talkbass is giving me lots again.

Thank you Matt & Valerus.
I have loved the sound of all SFT demos I have listened to in the internet, and you are right, it's not the kind of effect I am looking for, after thinking about what you wrote.
I love it though, but it's another toy i can't find down here.

So you suggest tuning the strings down, using a fuzz. since it will be my next buy, now, you get the direction of what I am going to play with it. any suggestion would be apppreciated!

Ciao,
Sergio.

chrisisnotevil · #16 07-18-2010, 10:15 AM

I bet Valerus suggests a
Blackout Effectors Musket. I'd agree if he did

Seriously though, I guess a browse around Thomann and other european sites would be your best bet. Lots of threads on most fuzz pedals here with soundclips if you search for them...

Valerus · #17 07-18-2010, 11:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kepallino_hh

Cool! this talkbass is giving me lots again.

Thank you Matt & Valerus.
I have loved the sound of all SFT demos I have listened to in the internet, and you are right, it's not the kind of effect I am looking for, after thinking about what you wrote.
I love it though, but it's another toy i can't find down here.

So you suggest tuning the strings down, using a fuzz. since it will be my next buy, now, you get the direction of what I am going to play with it. any suggestion would be apppreciated!

Ciao,
Sergio.

Get the SFT if you want, and try it out. It won't get this sound but it's a fun pedal. I use it in settings where I don't want my full-on overdrive (Way Huge Pork Loin does that for me) and where if I dig into the strings I get a heavenly "amp breakup" tone. Glorious.

Quote:

Originally Posted by chrisisnotevil

I bet Valerus suggests a
Blackout Effectors Musket. I'd agree if he did

Seriously though, I guess a browse around Thomann and other european sites would be your best bet. Lots of threads on most fuzz pedals here with soundclips if you search for them...

haha normally I'd suggest the Musket, but in this case I'm not sure the Musket would fit the bill.

I've seen TWDY live twice and I could never make out what he had for distortion. I assumed it was an old, beat-up Muff but if the band says its a Fuzz War, go get one.

If you want to emulate the sound, I'd say bite the bullet and buy a Fuzz War.

chrisisnotevil · #18 07-18-2010, 01:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Valerus

I've seen TWDY live twice and I could never make out what he had for distortion. I assumed it was an old, beat-up Muff but if the band says its a Fuzz War, go get one.

If you want to emulate the sound, I'd say bite the bullet and buy a Fuzz War.

Have had a look at the cost, and it looks like OP could get a Fuzz War from DBA for a reasonable amount, say 140 euros or so... Not too bad for a good fuzz imho.

cloclo · #19 07-18-2010, 01:38 PM

just get a mxr el grande bass fuzz
you can find it in lots of places (or order it)
it's not too expensive

lot's of his sound is probably studio mixing and mastering anyways

Ayliffe · #20 07-18-2010, 01:42 PM

New TWDY is gonna be fantastic holy ****.