Will George L cables save me some pedal board space?!

zippydog · #1 08-07-2008, 06:51 PM

I currently have Planet Waves cables on my board.
Beautifully made cables and they sound great, but I'm just short a bit of space to get that one l-a-a-a-a-s-t pedal on and the molded plastic right angles from PW are pretty big.

Would George L cables help me lose some space between pedals and gain some space on the board? Right now I have the ends of the PW right angle plugs butted against each other and it seems like an awful waste of space between pedals.

Alternatively, I suppose I could try and stagger the pedals, but the George L stuff looks like it would really work well at custom lengths and would possibly get me even more extra space.

Thoughts on how much space I might pick up?

Thanks!

::::BASSIST:::: · #2 08-07-2008, 06:59 PM

Depends on how many pedals you have, but say if you have four, you might save 2 inches as a guess.

Best is measure them out and make a comparison at a store.

zippydog · #3 08-07-2008, 07:11 PM

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if you have four, you might save 2 inches as a guess.

Wow- ironically, I have three in one row...and want to add one...and need about 2 more inches to make it happen.

Have'nt been able to find someone locally who sells the George L's, so I don't have a way to measure. I've looked around for dimensions on line, but no such luck so far.

Thanks!

cheapbasslovin · #4 08-07-2008, 07:35 PM

Here is a pic of TaySte's board that is one of the best uses of George L's I've seen. I'm still using Hosa cables, but it's on my list of crap to spend $ on. See if this will do what you want.

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Originally Posted by TaySte_2000

Done!

How hard is it to tell if you have a 25k EB volume pedal?

Dare you plug in?

Read the story here

My Master Plan - Complete

Thangfish · #5 08-07-2008, 07:37 PM

I don't think that George L's will save you any board real estate. A George L. 90 sticks out about .5/8" from the outer limit of a jack. The cable is nice, but the plugs aren't really any thinner than most others, and the solderless plugs will fail at the worst time.

No flames... I use 'em too!

These new Lava Cable kits appear to be superior and take up less room. I've been waiting to try some out.
Lava Cable Solderless

Thangfish · #6 08-07-2008, 07:53 PM

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Originally Posted by cheapbasslovin

Here is a pic of TaySte's board that is one of the best uses of George L's I've seen.

That has to be the most awsomest pedal board ever!
...and he did one hell of a job fitting it all together.

Having said that, for those of us with a small board, we don't often have room to offset pedals (like A)
and seem to end up with too many like (B).

At least I do. I think maybe those solid couplers would be narrower than George L.'s.

bongomania · #7 08-07-2008, 07:56 PM

I like the look of those new Lava right-angles, I'll have to try some. IMO the greatest benefit of the George L's space-wise is not the plugs themselves, but the thin and flexible coax cable. It bends in small spaces and tight corners so easily that even if the plug sticks out almost as far as a normal RA plug, the cables can easily be tucked and looped around the pedals and board in ways that are far, far less obtrusive than standard instrument cable. TaySte's board is a perfect example of this.

zippydog · #8 08-07-2008, 08:06 PM

DANG! that's a pedal board!

Gotta agree, Bongo! The ability to flex and conceal is part of the allure of George L stuff.

The Planet Waves cables I have are about 7/8" from edge of the plug to outside edge of the bend...so if Thang's measurement of 5/8" for George L's is accurate, I'm picking up only 1/4" per space...not enough for the fuss.

That said, Thang brings a GREAT point forward. Using Thang's photo, ALL of my pedals are currently set up like "B" on my Pedaltrain JR. I would probably save a ton of space if I simply offset them as shown in "A" (Thanks for the photo and diagram, Thang!).

However, if I went George L or Lava AND offset the pedals...imagine I could probably get another pedal or two onto the JR!

Am I just stoopid at the moment, or was there not an order option for the Lava pedal board kit with right angle jacks -or- the choice to order just the jacks (I need 12)??

Thanks Y'all!

McThumpin · #9 08-07-2008, 08:10 PM

Why isn't anyone making a million dollars on "flat" right angle plugs? I have this one random cable that has them, so I know it can be done... It sticks out past the jack only a slim 1/4," as opposed to the George L's' 5/8."

zippydog · #10 08-07-2008, 08:14 PM

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Why isn't anyone making a million dollars on "flat" right angle plugs

No kiddin'!

You would think a savvy pedal manufacturer would grab the idea...well...cuz there'd be room for more pedals on everyone's boards, of course!!

bongomania · #11 08-07-2008, 08:16 PM

The Lava ones are not yet available for sale, they show an expected date later this month.

Thangfish · #12 08-07-2008, 08:19 PM

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Originally Posted by bongomania

The Lava ones are not yet available for sale, they show an expected date later this month.

... and you can use them with George L. cable if you already have some.

Thangfish · #13 08-07-2008, 08:23 PM

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Originally Posted by McThumpin

Why isn't anyone making a million dollars on "flat" right angle plugs? I have this one random cable that has them, so I know it can be done... It sticks out past the jack only a slim 1/4," as opposed to the George L's' 5/8."

Like these Switchcraft plugs?

I've had plenty of them like No. 4 and they just seem to always give trouble. Maybe you'd have better luck. Why not try a couple?
They're kinda cheap.

bongomania · #14 08-07-2008, 10:25 PM

Yeah I've used a number of that type as well, and they always just felt "cheap".

Unrepresented · #15 08-07-2008, 11:34 PM

The above info on the size difference between the Planet Waves and the George L's sounds about right. I'd ballpark an 1/8 to 3/16 of an inch difference in favor of the George L's.

I prefer them for asthetics as well as for cable routing flexibility.

EADG mx · #16 08-08-2008, 05:38 PM

Sounds to me like you need a bigger board.

fireincairo · #17 08-08-2008, 06:00 PM

Yes, you can really tighten up a layout of a board with George L's.

**5stringwonder** · #18 08-08-2008, 10:28 PM

Waiting for the Lava right angled ones to come out too. Think they would save quite a bit of space.

fireincairo · #19 08-08-2008, 11:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Thangfish

Like these Switchcraft plugs?

I've had plenty of them like No. 4 and they just seem to always give trouble. Maybe you'd have better luck. Why not try a couple?
They're kinda cheap.

Those are ok for some applications, for others, they're too fat and make it hard to plug multiple jacks in a tight area. My mini TB looper is a perfect example of that. The jacks are very close together.

Lebowsky · #20 08-09-2008, 03:46 AM

I wouldn't have been able to shove all my pedals on my board if it wasn't for George L's:

however, they are not without inconvinients, take a look at this thread for example:
near catastrophic pedalboard failure at last night's gig

PITA to find which cable shorted on my board...