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09-30-2010, 08:53 PM
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Endorsing artist:see profile. | | Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: CHICAGO,IL. | | | Xotic Robotalk 2. The Other Envelope Filter
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09-30-2010, 09:04 PM
| | Fueled by chocolate | | Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Montreal, Canada | | | Sounds great. Now I have to go try ANOTHER envelope filter... |
09-30-2010, 09:49 PM
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Originally Posted by bass12  Sounds great. Now I have to go try ANOTHER envelope filter... | lol! amazing how picky we are about what constitutes a good duck quacking sound 
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10-01-2010, 10:22 AM
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Originally Posted by JimmyM lol! amazing how picky we are about what constitutes a good duck quacking sound | Well, some ducks sound more pleasing than others.  |
10-01-2010, 10:23 AM
| | | | This seems to be the filter that gets lost in the conversation. Every video I've seen of this pedal sounds great. Apparently, it also has internal DIP switches to further shape the tone. The PGS video shows how you can play both filters at once and set the the decay times differently; sounds very cool when holding a note. I think a lot of people were disappointed when they found out the Robo 2 doesn't have the S&H feature. Personally, I never use that, nor do I need a down sweep option, so I can see myself trying the Robo 2 at some point.
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10-01-2010, 10:49 AM
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Originally Posted by FilterFunk I think a lot of people were disappointed when they found out the Robo 2 doesn't have the S&H feature. Personally, I never use that, nor do I need a down sweep option, so I can see myself trying the Robo 2 at some point. | Count me as one who was bummed to see the "Random Arpeggiator" (S&H) function eliminated. Especially since they added a clean blend which (IMO) was a must for the S&H to work in a mix. If they'd kept it, I'd still own a Robotalk 2 now. The lack of a clean blend is the biggest reason I sold my original Bass Robotalk.
That said, it's a great sounding filter. It has sort of a dry, cutting or aggressive sound to it. I always think of it as a tamer DOD FX25 sound. Easier to control and better in the mix because of the clean blend. And being ableto have the two different filter sides simultaneously is a great feature.
I wish it had a down sweep, but many strictly bandpass filters (DOD FX25, MXR Bass Envelope Filter) seem to lack it. Honestly, I most often use the down sweep when doing synthy combos with fuzz and the Robotalk isn't any good for that anyway. With bandpass filters being fed a fuzz tone you pretty much get a "stuck wah" type of sound in most cases. A LPF is the tool for that job.
In any event, I dug the Robotalk 2 for what it is. |
10-01-2010, 02:51 PM
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Originally Posted by FilterFunk This seems to be the filter that gets lost in the conversation. | All I learned from that video (which the playing was great, btw) was that it works well for active basses and it has a blend knob. |
10-01-2010, 03:18 PM
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Originally Posted by One Bad Monkey All I learned from that video (which the playing was great, btw) was that it works well for active basses and it has a blend knob. | A much more informative video can be found here.
It's on guitar, but still conveys the important points. And quite frankly, while good on bass, I think the Robotalk 2 is better suited for guitar. Using both channels with different decay rates sounds fantastic for chords. |
10-01-2010, 03:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Jared Lash I think the Robotalk 2 is better suited for guitar. |
It really does work well for bass,just depends on the individual players need(s). |
10-01-2010, 04:04 PM
| | | | I was in Sam Ash yesterday and ALMOST bought the MXR M82. So far I think I dig that and the Robotalk enough that I'll stop researching envelope filters. |
10-01-2010, 04:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Jared Lash A much more informative video can be found here.
It's on guitar, but still conveys the important points. And quite frankly, while good on bass, I think the Robotalk 2 is better suited for guitar. Using both channels with different decay rates sounds fantastic for chords. | Thanks for that; until that post, I honestly didn't know it was basically two envelope filters. I look at video reviews like a movie based on a book; sure, I'm not going to get the full scope of it unless I read it, but give me the gist! |
10-01-2010, 04:44 PM
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Endorsing artist:see profile. | | Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: CHICAGO,IL. | | | I have a Robotalk 2, a MXR M82,a MXR bass auto Q and a Dunlop 105Q on my board and I dig them all for what they bring to the table.
I also use a Pigtronix EP-2 envelope filter/phaser but it's really it's own thing. More like a filters cousin that an actual filter. |
10-02-2010, 05:44 AM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Northwest of Montreal, CAN | | | Tried one in a shop a wile ago and really liked it. Only reason I didn't buy it at that time is because for some reason, the shop clerk couldn't hook me up to their only bass amp (used, probably not working at the time, I guess), so he had me play bass through a guitar amp to try the thing. So couldn't see how it held the bottom, but it sounded great. Always wondered why the RB2 didn't get much attention around here.
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10-02-2010, 11:12 AM
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Originally Posted by JAUQO III-X | Damn you Jauqo...another filter I gotta have.
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10-02-2010, 11:30 AM
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Originally Posted by Funkinthetrunk Damn you Jauqo...another filter I gotta have. | I know, right? I've come to the realization that I'll be buying and trying filters forever. Well, at least if you buy one new from an online retailer with a good return policy, you only lose shipping. When I buy used with no returns, it's hit and miss. If I decide not to keep it, I usually end up selling it for less than I paid for it. Every now and then, I break even. Once in a great while, I actually (drum roll, please) MAKE A PROFIT! This is where the phrase "acceptable losses" comes in. My name is Kenny P., and I'm a filter addict.
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10-02-2010, 11:39 AM
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Originally Posted by FilterFunk I know, right? I've come to the realization that I'll be buying and trying filters forever. Well, at least if you buy one new from an online retailer with a good return policy, you only lose shipping. When I buy used with no returns, it's hit and miss. If I decide not to keep it, I usually end up selling it for less than I paid for it. Every now and then, I break even. Once in a great while, I actually (drum roll, please) MAKE A PROFIT! This is where the phrase "acceptable losses" comes in. My name is Kenny P., and I'm a filter addict. | You know it's a sickness when I just bought a Source Audio BEF and thoroughly love it. But I still want more!
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10-02-2010, 11:39 AM
| | | | I've had one for a couple years now and its outstanding on bass. Really cuts through the mix and is extremely funky with no volume spike issues as there are volume controls for each channel and a master blend. Brilliant design and it really is two separate filters in one.
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10-02-2010, 11:41 AM
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Originally Posted by Funkinthetrunk Damn you Jauqo...another filter I gotta have. |
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10-02-2010, 11:43 AM
|  | Registered User | | Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Deaf | | Holy Mullet, Batman...
Saw a "related" video with Vail Johnson... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3k3kqYDm44M
I guess the mullet matches the Kubicki X-factor |
10-02-2010, 11:43 AM
|  | Registered User | | Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Crown Point, IN | | I am a filter junkie as well and I have nothing bad to say about this pedal at all. In fact I miss it quite a bit. I particularly liked how on one side you could set her up for a higher ended effect, then the other side could be set for low...Genius! 
And THEN you could combine them and POW!!! Instant crazy cool filter! With further tweaking with the combo going you can get all kinds of mad funkness!
Probably my favorite thing was the fact that you could mess with the volume of each side. I really like a bit of a boost when I turn my filter on!
Good times...good times! 
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