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Old 08-04-2007, 10:46 AM
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American P bass and Bassline APB-1 problem.

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So I play an American Deluxe P-bass and I ordered a Basslines APB-1 p bass pickup. I installed the pickup to the best of my knowledge but there's a problem. The output from the pickup is extremely hot. So hot that I can't turn my amps gain past 1 or 2. Another thing is that it's using batteries in a week. This makes me think I have something wired wrong. But I'm not sure. I know that my bass has an on board pre-amp, and I was wondering if the pickups come with there own little pre-amp and the combination of the two is what's overdriving the sound? I don't know. I think I just have something wired wrong. Has anyone ever had this problem with an active bass?
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Old 08-04-2007, 07:41 PM
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So I play an American Deluxe P-bass and I ordered a Basslines APB-1 p bass pickup. I installed the pickup to the best of my knowledge but there's a problem. The output from the pickup is extremely hot. So hot that I can't turn my amps gain past 1 or 2. Another thing is that it's using batteries in a week. This makes me think I have something wired wrong. But I'm not sure. I know that my bass has an on board pre-amp, and I was wondering if the pickups come with there own little pre-amp and the combination of the two is what's overdriving the sound? I don't know. I think I just have something wired wrong. Has anyone ever had this problem with an active bass?
The APB 1 is an active pickup and apparently has it's own internal preamp. It sounds like it's too hot for the active circuit in your P bass. I don't know if there is an internal contol to turn down the gain on that pickup or if there is an input gain on the preamp in your P bass to cut back the amount of signal going into its preamp. If there is you should be able to trim it back to match the levels. If not, and your wiring is correct and isn't the problem, then either the pickup has to go or the preamp has to go or you'll have to get someone to wire in a trim pot between the pickup and the preamp of your bass. Using up batteries in a week isn't right either. Maybe because you're running so hot but there may be something wired wrong. Call Seymour Duncan and let them know what is going on and they can suggest the best fix. But re trace all your connections first and look for internal trim pots to cut the gain back.

Most active basses use a passive pickup into an active preamp and they match up fine. But even all my active basses will overdrive the active input on my Mesa if I run it wide open on the instrument. I usually run it cut back to about 2/3 maximum. Still plenty of signal and less chance of overloading the preamp on my amplifier. If I use any boost on the instrument's EQ I cut back a bit more.
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Old 08-04-2007, 08:24 PM
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My guess is the two complaints aren’t related.

The battery munch is probably a result of a mis-wired jack which in effect is like leaving the cord plugged in. The battery ground needs to go to the “neutral” jack terminal (one that has no continuity when the jack is unplugged). That should have no bearing on the output issue but once the jack’s taken care of you’ll know.

The pup is an active pup but I’ve had the JJ version and there was no such issue (not sure how you wired the pup without knowing it was active?). Any active pup I’ve seen will have a lead (typical small diameter red insulated) that ties into the battery + to run the internal preamp. You’ll NEVER see that on a passive pup.

So unless you’ve got the onboard controls boost excessively or running the bass into a passive amp input, there shouldn’t be a problem I’m aware of. Some amps are definitely more sensitive to input than others though - like stuff made before active basses but otherwise as well. You could always throw a GEB-7/whatever in the chain to cut the input into the amp.

I’ve got the Fender Deluxe pre stuck in a box in outboard form (so I can and pretty much have ran every pup concievable through it) so I know there’s no internal pre gain trim pot (which could be the source if it had one). I suppose you could wire one in but I’ve never jacked with that.

I don’t remember what the output is on the Deluxe but it’s irrelevant cause I know from experience that often I can’t boost the mids or bass much with lots of pups cause it will distort the amp. I almost always have bass cut and mids around the detent, maybe up a bit. Treble you can crank and won’t matter. Controls are typically pretty interactive so you can like cut bass if you want more mids but in recall that mid drives amps nuts regardless. I like the deluxe so keep it around but rarely use it.
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[quote=luknfur;4511063]FWIW:
(not sure how you wired the pup without knowing it was active?)

I should have mentioned that. Are you sure it's really the APB 1 and not one of the passive Basslines?
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Old 08-05-2007, 02:17 PM
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thanks for all of the help. I think I'm just gonna got on the phone with seymour duncan and try to figure it out. thanks again though.
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