Bartolini 9CBJD PU

naufal6161 · #1 08-25-2011, 03:55 PM

excuse me, I'm new in talkbass, sorry if it's a repost and sorry if my English is bad

I'm planning to upgrade my JB model bass with bartolini PU with 9CBJD series

as on the bart's website, the pair are 9CBJD S1/L1 (deep pair) and 9CBJD S3/L3 (bright pair)
but I want a different pair, like 9CBJD S3/L1
so, the bright one is on the neck, and the deep one is on the bridge

Is it possible? what it does to sound?
thanks
-EDIT-
Changes the topic
Bart 9CBDJ vs SemDunc Bassline AJJ-1

Best regards

GMSweet · #2 08-25-2011, 08:30 PM

There are more differences than similarities in what I'm going to post, but you may still find it of use. Bartolini doesn't specify which CBJD structures (deep or bright) are used in their X series or MusicMan series pickups, but that's what I have in my bass.

I was feeling a bit inspired by the folks down in the Roscoe forum who do so much recording of their basses and post them that I thought I would give things an attempt myself. Here's a little piece I've been kicking around that I'm simply calling "Matt's Groove".

It's a bit sloppy, but I was having fun!

Anyway...

The recording chain is:

My Stammie
Focusrite TwinTrak Pro (EQ and compression off)
M-Audio Delta 410 via SPDIF @ 24-bit/48k (Old, old card)
Sonar X1
Exported to MP3 at 320kbps

The main groove part is the neck pickup solo'd (Bart X45CBJD-B) and was played mostly over that pickup.

The fingerstyle "lead" was the south coil of the Bart MV52CBJD bridge pickup and was played at the bridge.

The slap portion was both pickups on full with the MV52CBJD in parallel.

The strings are 3 month old DR Hi Beams (.130, .100, .075, .060, .040) and the Aguilar OBP-3 was engaged with the bass and treble just barely pushed up from center.

Once in Sonar, the tracks were normalized to -3db, I engaged Sonar X1's 1176 compressor on the Pro Channel at the default minimum settings and panned the fingerstyle lead 20% left and the slap part 20% right. No other EQ'ing or tweaking was done on the individual tracks. The Master output has Sonar's Linear Multi-Band Compressor set at it's default settings.

Like I said at the beginning, it's a completely different situation. Perhaps someone knows a bit more definitively if I have the "deep" or "bright" versions.

I hope this helps, even if just a little bit.

Matt

Zapp · #3 08-26-2011, 09:56 AM

nothing to add, but I would like to tag along and see some responses to the op question as I'm tracking that same pickup, the 1's, that is. those vs Antiquity's.

GM, I was a Sterling plucker for years. what I did not like about my sound was the absence of the flexibility to BLAST a big fat tight booty when I needed to, something the top line Bart soapbars are super at. I now wish I had tried some of the aftermarket MM types to see if I could get there, but then that would not be a Sterling, would it?

so I made the right move to sell it to a new owner who really wanted THAT particular Teal sterling..

naufal6161 · #4 09-03-2011, 03:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GMSweet

There are more differences than similarities in what I'm going to post, but you may still find it of use. Bartolini doesn't specify which CBJD structures (deep or bright) are used in their X series or MusicMan series pickups, but that's what I have in my bass.

I was feeling a bit inspired by the folks down in the Roscoe forum who do so much recording of their basses and post them that I thought I would give things an attempt myself. Here's a little piece I've been kicking around that I'm simply calling "Matt's Groove".

It's a bit sloppy, but I was having fun!

Anyway...

The recording chain is:

My Stammie
Focusrite TwinTrak Pro (EQ and compression off)
M-Audio Delta 410 via SPDIF @ 24-bit/48k (Old, old card)
Sonar X1
Exported to MP3 at 320kbps

The main groove part is the neck pickup solo'd (Bart X45CBJD-B) and was played mostly over that pickup.

The fingerstyle "lead" was the south coil of the Bart MV52CBJD bridge pickup and was played at the bridge.

The slap portion was both pickups on full with the MV52CBJD in parallel.

The strings are 3 month old DR Hi Beams (.130, .100, .075, .060, .040) and the Aguilar OBP-3 was engaged with the bass and treble just barely pushed up from center.

Once in Sonar, the tracks were normalized to -3db, I engaged Sonar X1's 1176 compressor on the Pro Channel at the default minimum settings and panned the fingerstyle lead 20% left and the slap part 20% right. No other EQ'ing or tweaking was done on the individual tracks. The Master output has Sonar's Linear Multi-Band Compressor set at it's default settings.

Like I said at the beginning, it's a completely different situation. Perhaps someone knows a bit more definitively if I have the "deep" or "bright" versions.

I hope this helps, even if just a little bit.

Matt

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zapp

nothing to add, but I would like to tag along and see some responses to the op question as I'm tracking that same pickup, the 1's, that is. those vs Antiquity's.

GM, I was a Sterling plucker for years. what I did not like about my sound was the absence of the flexibility to BLAST a big fat tight booty when I needed to, something the top line Bart soapbars are super at. I now wish I had tried some of the aftermarket MM types to see if I could get there, but then that would not be a Sterling, would it?

so I made the right move to sell it to a new owner who really wanted THAT particular Teal sterling..

actually, I didn't really understand what are you telling about.. sorry

okay, deep pair or bright pair, it's maybe not a big deal
now what I wanna ask is..
Bart 9CBDJ vs SemDunc Bassline AJJ-1
which is better for rock sound? I find out for the blasting low, great treble, but also good mid freq.. so, maybe the flat EQ may better..
I'm playing like sound of MUSE

I also like musicman sterling's sound

Zapp · #5 09-03-2011, 07:28 AM

my understanding is that Bart you cited is the other end of the spectrum from a sterling sound.
sterling is bright/mod/jazz sound, and with the stock sterling pup the phase switch makes little difference.
you might spend some time on youtube listening to pups.
one of the guys at bestbassgear said that the Bartolini 9CBJD1 are very warm, fat and round, with strong tight lows, and the 9CBJD1 pickups have an extended treble range that combines this low end power with some articulation in the top end. These are still considered a warm pickup, but if you were looking for something with this low end but a little brighter the 9CBJD3 are.

GMSweet · #6 09-03-2011, 08:52 AM

Just getting back to this...

According to Max a BestBassGear.com, the MM pickup I have is has two of the CBDJ3 pickups side by side. When I solo the south coil, I essential have a J Bass with the CBJD1 (deep) in the neck pickup and the CBJD3 (bright) in the bridge (opposite of what you want to do I know).

Since I moved from the original series barts, I've found that the classic bass pickups are more balanced frequency wise, but in my case, they seem to be missing the low/low-mid muscle. I'm thinking of replacing these and going back to my old pickups or something new. I'm finding that I'm EQ'ing back in the low mid bump (120hz-180hz) that was removed and EQ'ing out some of the upper mids (1.2khz-1.6khz) that was added.

In short, I would stick with the deep pair or try something else. I have no experience with the Duncan AJJ-1 pickups.

Matt