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Old 09-14-2011, 12:18 AM
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I just installed a set of Fender Custom Shop '60s in my 2008 American Standard Jazz 4 string. My wife bought these for me for Christmas and I've just now gotten around to installing them. I had them on a list with a number of other sets of pickups. These were the ones she chose.

I started becoming disillusioned with my jazz. To my ears it just didn't sound like a jazz should. There wasn't enough woody warmth. It was very boomy/thumpy even when playing quietly. Digging in would muddy up the lows and you'd find yourself reaching for the amp eq. Highs were too prevalent. The overall spectrum lacked definition and seemed sterile. The highs always reminded me that I had a maple fretboard and was unforgiving. It kinda sounded like a jazz or at least reminded me of one but just wasn't doing the trick. To me the pickups just seemed to try and fit a more modern mold. The tone didn't resonate with what I heard in my head - a playground of bits and pieces of things I'd heard and liked of other jazz basses.

Several months back I was tooling around on TB looking to see what people were really saying about the Fender CS 60's vs AS 2008 pickups. I came across a few posts identifying the 2008 stock pickups as pretty good and really very similar to the CS 60's. That is when I sort of put off the install and just lived with what I had. Until the other day... I decided I'd install the pickups and if I still hated the sound I'd put it the jazz up for sale/trade.

I was a little intimidated with my first ever pickup install but after consulting TB, Google and YouTube I was up for the challenge. And once I got them installed I was pretty surprised at the outcome.

The string to string balance was immediately better. The boominess was no more - they can thump but it was musical and playing with a soft touch revealed a lot of character. So much character in fact that I played quiet for while till my wife wondered what I was doing. I couldn't do that before and still hear the definition. There was warmth with a woodiness that wasn't there before and a bit more growl. There's no mud when you dig in. The note definition is far better. A noticeable airiness or space (does this make sense?) exists throughout the entire instrument.

With both pickups at full volume there were similarities between the pickup sets in certain tonal qualities but that is where the similarities ended. Solo the neck and its more vintage P like in comparison to the stock. The stock was more in your face. Solo the new bridge pickup and there was instantly more growl. I think these pickups are doing a better job of translating what this bass has to say. I played late until my wife yelled at me, "quit holding that curvy body and get to bed and hold mine!". I blamed her for the Christmas gift.

Sadly I didn't record and in retrospect I should have for my fellow TBers (although my playing sucks). Instead all you got was wordy emotional subjective tone vomit. Fortunately the difference was noticeable enough for my own assessment. I'd have paid $120 of my own money to achieve this level of improvement. IMHO this particular pickup swap is worth your exploration if you are similarly malcontent with your sound should you have these more recent 2008+ Fender AS Jazz. I'm assuming they're all like the set I had. Blah.


Now for the annoyances... Fender QC on these pickups could have been better. There was too much wax when they potted the pickups and it spilled out on the top. I had to take an xacto knife to the wax to get rid of it so the covers would fit flat. Also, I didn't realize the pickup poles weren't flush. Not a big deal I guess, it doesn't interfere with my playing style. The other thing, both covers are slightly warped. Lastly one of the grounding tabs in my bass had the wires wrapped around it so many times it might never come off. One hell of a "mechanical connection". It couldn't ever draw enough of the solder out of the wire wrap so I had to snip away at it with wire cutter tips until it all crumbled. That was the most length part of the entire install.
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Old 09-14-2011, 12:45 AM
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Instead all you got was wordy emotional subjective tone vomit.

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No worries, mate. The only reason i log onto this site is for this.

Seriously, you grabbed the bull by the horns.... good for you!
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Old 09-14-2011, 12:55 AM
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Sadly I didn't record and in retrospect I should have for my fellow TBers (although my playing sucks).
Don't worry about it. Good review (?) on those pickups. I could never bring myself to get the custom shop pickups since I'm so cheap. Instead I just shell out cash on American standards and consider myself a happy camper. At least you can't be as bad as me. I don't record because I'm afraid my sound would melt anything that records it.
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I played late until my wife yelled at me, "quit holding that curvy body and get to bed and hold mine!". I blamed her for the Christmas gift.
When I got married my wife said I couldn't leave my bass laying on the bed anymore.

That was a very well written and entertaining post.
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That was a very well written and entertaining post.
+1

I'd much rather read informative posts, even when they're lengthy, than have to wade through a whole thread where information is just teased out. It kept me reading, and I don't even have a Jazz!

These days you seem to get posters apologising for lengthy threads if they're more than a paragraph long....modern society seems to have the attention span of a gnat. I blame Twitter.
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Old 09-14-2011, 07:52 AM
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I blame twitter for modern society having the attention span of a gnat.
+1

Along with the internet in general, and that twitchy editing on TV shows and videos.

I haven'y gotten into Twitter yet. I see it used well, but then I also see people thinking they have to tell everyone that they are standing in the checkout line at the super market.
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Old 09-14-2011, 11:53 AM
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I'm glad my rambling was useful and entertaining since obviously what my goal was. I appreciate the feedback.

By the time I was finished my draft and read it over again I thought well crap, a recording would have been nice and felt like a putz so in went my apology. The reality is I was so frustrated with that bass and finally had time to make the pickup swap AND actually had the drive to do it so I just did. The entire time I was doing the replacement I just kept mumbling under my breath that these stupid pickups better not sound the same as the stock ones or I'm gonna be PO'd.

If I was to summarize my post the CS '60s do not sound the same as the AS 2008+ stock pickups. They are vaguely similar but have completely different character. They are worth the exploration and worthy of your consideration. How they compare against a set of Fralins I couldn't tell you (those were on my list too).

The stock pickups aren't crap, it just wasn't doing it for me and I've become very negative about it. I've gotten comments like, "I'm jealous. That is my ideal bass tone." and "I love that bass it just thumps". I liked it once upon a time but my ear is becoming more mature the longer I am playing. I'm just glad this swap has brought out some of the tonal qualities I've been looking for.
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