Does the '62 RI aka Original P bass pickup have a red lead wire?

GlennW · #1 02-16-2009, 05:40 PM

Dave M · #2 02-16-2009, 06:23 PM

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Originally Posted by GlennW

Does the '62 RI aka Original P bass pickup have a red lead wire?

Not the one I own, which has cloth insulated wiring (black and white).

GlennW · #3 02-16-2009, 06:39 PM

Thanks. I saw this on ebay and didn't know what to think.
http://cgi.ebay.com/2-Vintage-62-RI-...QQcmdZViewItem

miles'tone · #4 02-17-2009, 11:39 AM

Dave M is right.
The ebay one is bogus (or maybe a mistake on behalf of the STRATosphere - they seem to break alot of Jap '62 Fenders for parts so maybe it's one of those.) DEFO not a USA pup.

Iroquoi · #5 02-17-2009, 12:19 PM

Mine just one black and a white

MRuss · #6 02-17-2009, 02:46 PM

i'm pretty sure the red wire is from the copper ground plate, not the pickups. It connects the plate to the common ground, either the pots or the main cavity.

Jim Carr · #7 02-17-2009, 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by GlennW

Thanks. I saw this on ebay and didn't know what to think.
http://cgi.ebay.com/2-Vintage-62-RI-...QQcmdZViewItem

Glenn, it is confusing. I have dealt with this seller, and though they were responsive to my efforts to contact them, they were not well-informed or able to answer very many questions. When they did provide info, everything they said turned out to be wrong.

I was trying to find tuners for a P-bass neck I bought from them. It turned out that the neck could use the tuners off of a 1969 P-bass, ferrules and all. The seller said they would not fit. I'm glad they were wrong, but it made me skeptical of them in terms of what they know about the parts they scavenge and sell. All IMHO.

BTW, I would buy from them again, but I would have to feel dead sure that I knew what I was getting.

GlennW · #8 02-17-2009, 03:22 PM

I almost think he may have hired someone to help who isn't hep to the jive. He has over 1,800 items for sale. He has two of those listed, one starting at $0.99 and the other at $99.99; or he may have posted the wrong picture by mistake or made a typo on the price. Something isn't right, other sellers have those pickups new in the $65-90 range.

Jim Carr · #9 02-17-2009, 04:14 PM

I think you can call them. Don't have the number, but you might start there.

Dave M · #10 02-17-2009, 07:13 PM

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i'm pretty sure the red wire is from the copper ground plate,...

While that might be the case for the pickup in the auction GlennW is showing, it definitely is not the case for my "Original '62". Mine has a black, cloth insulated lead from the (one piece) brass ground/shield plate.

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(or maybe a mistake on behalf of the STRATosphere - they seem to break alot of Jap '62 Fenders for parts so maybe it's one of those.)

That's my first hunch, also. They are one of the biggest chop shops around. Looks like most of their stuff is MIJ, so I wonder if this is a pickup from a non-export bass modeled as a '62RI with US pickups.

Here's a little story. A while back (year ago, or so?) I bought a pickup from a TB member advertised very similar to this. No picture, but I trusted the description. When the pickup arrived it was just like the one in this auction. I contacted the seller who explained he bought it on eBay from this same outfit (Stratosphere/reliablefender). It wasn't even close to the "real" MIA "Original '62". The TB'er did accept my returning the pickup to him, so I am grateful for that.

All that being said, it comes down to "buyer beware", especially with parts.

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Glenn, it is confusing. I have dealt with this seller, and though they were responsive to my efforts to contact them, they were not well-informed or able to answer very many questions. When they did provide info, everything they said turned out to be wrong.

I would definitely ask a lot of detailed questions.
What actual bass were these pulled from? A MIA '62RI, or a MIJ '62RI with MIA pickup?
Do they have any other MIA '62 Original pickups in the box, not chop-shop pulls?

GlennW · #11 02-17-2009, 09:07 PM

I wouldn't buy any from that guy, he has a lot of stuff and doesn't seem wo know what much of it is.

I asked him a question a couple years ago and never got an answer, figured he didn't have time and/or interest.

I've never seen him sell anything new in a box. It's always on the brown table.

nemo · #12 02-18-2009, 04:57 PM

Fender 62RI's have waxed cloth wire insulation (white and black) not plastic.

Caca de Kick · #13 02-18-2009, 05:15 PM

As been said already, this guy gets lots of brand new MIJ fenders and parts them out.

What confuses folks about the MIJ reissue basses is that alot of them do have a sticker fixed to the pickguard saying "US pickups". But they are not the same as the MIA reissue pickups, they're some other cheaper version.

GlennW · #14 02-18-2009, 05:24 PM

I wonder how many different P-Bass pickups Fender is making right now; I guess close to 10.

Thanks for the replies.

nemo · #15 02-18-2009, 05:26 PM

Yep, these can be some pickups from MIJ, although I have seen no red wire on them.

FWIW here is pup pulled out from 2003 CIJ 62RI when I upgraded it to Fender Original:

According to bobins and other info, these CIJ "US Vintage" were identified as the same ones that Fender puts to "American Standard" models.
It was detailed in some my older thread.

GlennW · #16 02-18-2009, 05:34 PM

I have an Am Std P pickup about 10 years old and it looks different than that, the top flatwork isn't rounded. It's from ebay, so I really don't know where it's from. Yours looks very different, and I think I've seen that number on JB bobbins.

My mistake, the number was 048613, pretty close.

nemo · #17 02-18-2009, 05:59 PM

This is the old thread with Fender guy answering about the origin of it:
Help: trying to identify/date some P Bass pickups

Fender 62RI pickups

GlennW · #18 02-18-2009, 08:33 PM

Thanks for the links, interesting reading. It just dawned on me that the pickup with the rounded top might be a one-piece bobbin, so the magnets/poles could be pushed up up and down without damaging the coil. I know a lot of Am Std Strat pickups are like that. Maybe that JB piakup above too. If you look through the holes and don't see wire it probably is one piece.