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Old 11-09-2010, 12:47 PM
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Howdy once again guys! I'll be putting together my thoughts on John's J pickups that I've dropped into my Carvin B4, the bolt on 4 string jazz bass. I'll shorten the disclaimer to this: All opinions in this thread are my honest opinions. John's a great guy who makes some kickass pickups and that's why I wanted to work with him.

SOUND SAMPLES ARE BELOW

...The honeymoon is over. So, what do I think of the pickups?

1) They're clean and dynamic. I really want to say that the sound is very tight. There isn't wooliness or flub to it. That's something I've mentioned about his pickups a lot. There's also the clarity and a high presence, especially with new strings, that just isn't with the other pickups I've used.

2) The bridge pickup can honk. I like to get some honky/burpy tones every once in a while. The bridge pickup still retains enough low end to be used on it's own and provides a lot of pleasant honk if you play fingerstyle by the bridge. One of my big gripes about this bass with the stock J99's was that the bridge pickup was lame. Not enough lows, not enough mids, not enough balls. I'm happy with it now. Edit: I still dig the bridge pickup a lot. I played over the neck for the recordings up thus far, but I'll make sure to get a burpy one in. Post-edit edit: OH GOD I LOVE IT. Listen to the clip where I layered a couple of parts. I really like this bugger.

3) The neck pickup... I almost never solo neck pickups. The neck on a J usually sounds 60-70% of the way to a P bass which makes me want to get a P bass and go all the way. This one can push into that range but I'm not sure that's what I really want to highlight about it. It's got a cool tone all its own. It's like it was nudged in the Bart soapbar direction just a bit and I dig that. Edit: Frankly, I do feel a need to note the meatiness of the neck pickup's sound. It's got a good helping of low mids that'd duke it out with any P I've owned except my Highway 1.

4) Both pickups all on! Before, I had to use both full on because they were weak (and noisy!) solo. Now I do because it sounds great! It'll growl all day long if you beat on it like I do but, there's a soft side that'll purr in your lap if you're gentle. It'll do classic J with fingers all day long. Edit: I still feel like this is my favorite setting. It just sounds really good to me if I dig in. One consequence of both all-on is that you lose a little of the high end brightness. Not enough to matter, but enough that I know I lost a little bit. I think that's just the cost of using two pickups together.

5) Bartiloni? Yes, Bartiloni. I've made that comparison once before and I think it's a good one. John's pickups are a bit like the child of a Bart soapbar and a cleaner version of whatever style pickup your bass actually has. I'd love to put this up against a Lakland with the Bart J's and see how they compare in clarity and overall tone. I think it'd be a cool shoot out.

Old Carvin tone layout to my ears (both pickups):
Bass: 4
Mids: 5
Treble: 5

John's tone layout:

Neck:
Bass: 7.5
Mids: 7
Treble: 6.5 *

Bridge:
Neck:
Bass: 6.5
Mids: 8
Treble: 7 *

*The treble isn't super present. I boosted the numbers because A, they're louder and B, these have the shimmering highs but not the over the top ear piercing kind of treble.

Lots and lots of inevitable revision and pickup samples to come within the next few days! Ask me about the tone control interaction because I haven't started the tweaking yet!

PS - Tell me what songs or styles you want to hear me play on this thing!

SOUND SAMPLES
(Guaranteed to be sloppy unless otherwise stated.)

Playing over the neck PU and digging in a bit:
Both http://www.soundclick.com/bands/page...songID=9864879
Neck http://www.soundclick.com/bands/page...songID=9864878
Bridge http://www.soundclick.com/bands/page...songID=9864880

Bridge Pickup solo. Layered improv with new Naked Strings .30-.85 played over the bridge pickup.
http://www.soundclick.com/bands/page...songID=9878016

Little toying around with both pickups playing fingerstyle at the 22nd fret:
http://www.soundclick.com/bands/page...songID=9864899


****All recordings done so far are before a proper setup. The neck is slightly back bowed because I haven't got the Carvin tool yet. Expect extra fret buzz.****
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Oh, I want to hear the samples!
do you think you could get a sound close to robert de leo? (stone temple pilots)
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Old 11-09-2010, 02:54 PM
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I've got a JWorrell J pickup that I still need to try out.

Post up some Jaco-style clips!
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Old 11-09-2010, 08:32 PM
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Thanks a bunch for that Chris, looking forward to some clips.
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Old 11-11-2010, 02:49 PM
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Hopefully some beginning clips will be up tonight. No promises on Jaco-style. I've never tried to play like him, although there are some famous others that I definitely take cues from. I'll work on it though.
What I mean is just solo the bridge pickup and play some fingerstyle stuff.
Do a bit of melodic playing with your right hand over the neck pickup, or up toward the neck, and then some punchier playing with your right hand playing right over the bridge pickup.

I'd be happy with any clips of the bridge pickup soloed, fingerstyle playing.
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Old 11-11-2010, 03:12 PM
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I have mine on-order. Once I get it installed and all of the electronics work done, I'll post a review as well.
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Old 11-11-2010, 03:24 PM
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Samples are go!
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Old 11-12-2010, 06:40 AM
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I've been a slacker and haven't had a chance to put them in my Roscoe 6 string as of yet.
Changed jobs (and SLAMMED) plus a lot of gigging.
I've scaled back my rig a bit and not gonna use the 6 as much, so I'll get it to the shop hopefully next week.
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Old 11-12-2010, 10:13 AM
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What I mean is just solo the bridge pickup and play some fingerstyle stuff.
Do a bit of melodic playing with your right hand over the neck pickup, or up toward the neck, and then some punchier playing with your right hand playing right over the bridge pickup.

I'd be happy with any clips of the bridge pickup soloed, fingerstyle playing.
Added one up there of bridge solo. I went high neck PU positioning to lower bridge PU position.

Also my bad on deleting that post while you were replying. I had samples up so fast I felt like it was irrelevant.
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Nice clips! I have one of his humbuckers I am (finally) installing into a Jazz I'm refinishing, in the neck position...and I need a beefy J style for the bridge position... white covers...must. order.

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Old 11-12-2010, 10:29 AM
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Added one up there of bridge solo. I went high neck PU positioning to lower bridge PU position.

Also my bad on deleting that post while you were replying. I had samples up so fast I felt like it was irrelevant.
Cool.
I like these clips. Nice and clear.
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Old 11-12-2010, 10:31 AM
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Oh, I want to hear the samples!
do you think you could get a sound close to robert de leo? (stone temple pilots)
To answer this question after doing a little listening to their music, I think yes. Both pickups on with possibility of tone or treble roll off and finger style is what I hear.

On a related note, I now appreciate their bassist even if I still don't adore the vocals.


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Nice clips! I have one of his humbuckers I am (finally) installing into a Jazz I'm refinishing, in the neck position...and I need a beefy J style for the bridge position... white covers...must. order.

Ron
Do it. I do believe John is now buying covers for some of his pickups instead of casting so white may be a possibility. I certainly can't guarantee that though.
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Old 11-12-2010, 10:32 AM
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Cool.
I like these clips. Nice and clear.
With a whole lot of "what am I playing next?" slop that's also quite clear.
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Old 11-12-2010, 05:20 PM
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I am still casting, so colors are no problem. I did a set of white J/P/J, any color is possible. I'll post picks this weekend.
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Old 11-13-2010, 11:57 PM
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Another clip of this bass is available in this thread: Naked Strings: First Impressions (Custom set .30 .45 .60 .85) That recording was with .30-.85 Naked Strings.
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Old 11-14-2010, 12:08 PM
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too bright for me
New strings were used on all clips. It doesn't hurt that I like my instruments bright. A tone knob or old strings can take that brightness out but a treble knob can't fake legitimate top end when you need it.
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Old 11-14-2010, 12:21 PM
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I've heard of this magical new contraption called an equalizer, and it looks really cool. Apparently, if there is too much treble, you can reduce the amplitude of the high frequencies! Maybe you should look into buying one.

There is nothing wrong with having plenty of high frequency content, because you can just EQ out what you don't want.
It's much more difficult to try add treble if your bass doesn't have it than to take away treble if your bass has too much.
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Old 11-15-2010, 12:35 PM
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I just made up a bridge harmonic based melody and built a couple layers on top of it. All parts played on and over my Carvin's bridge pickup with the new Naked Strings. More of what you ordered line6man. (Also, I pulled the crappy other bridge pickup one. This one says a lot more.)

http://www.soundclick.com/bands/page...songID=9878016

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Old 12-10-2010, 01:13 PM
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I ordered those white J/P/Js.
I've installed them, and they sound super killer.
I have to finish routing the control cavity before I can assemble the bass, but once thats done I'll post some clips and pics.
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