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Old 09-02-2010, 09:34 PM
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Pickup Comparison (with audio!): Fender Jaguar stock pups vs DiMarzio Model J (Jay)

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While there wasn't anything terribly wrong with the tone I was getting from the Jaguar's stock pickups, my incessant need to tweak got the better of me. I dropped in a set of DiMarzio Model J (Jay) pups and did a bit of recording to get a better feel for the before and after sound. Also, to get as equal a comparison as possible, I didn't remove the strings when installing the new pups: just loosened them up enough to get in there.

HERE'S THE SETUP (probably more detail than you care for):

• Fender Jaguar (red, if it matters)
• volume and tone controls fully on
• old D'Addario EXL160 roundwounds (50-70-85-105)
• GK MB212 combo
• all controls set at noon except the master volume (around 8 o'clock)
• Contour control disengaged, Limiter engaged
• two bass tracks recorded and mixed evenly
• mic (GLS Audio ES57, an SM57 clone)
• DI (onboard DI from the amp)
• recorded with Apple Garageband
• interface is a Mackie ONYX Satellite

SOME NOTES ON MY RECORDINGS:

• While recording the Model J's (jay's), I had a sneaking suspicion that I wasn't digging in as much as I had when doing the stock recordings. I think this was confirmed on playback, but it's hard to tell.
• These were quick and dirty recordings. It took all my willpower to repress my perfectionist tendencies and just do one quick take of each setting. Thus, there are rough spots.

MY IMPRESSIONS AFTER PLAYBACK:

• After first installing the pups and playing with them in a band setting, they seemed to be thicker-sounding as most people have mentioned. I think this is also confirmed in the recordings, although it depends on the settings on the bass.
• Using the preamp seemed to mask the difference a bit, but it is still there. There's definitely a bump in the low-mids that gives the sound a bit more oomph. The change in tone is more pronounced when using the bass in passive mode (95% of the time for me).
• The difference in tone is especially noticeable when using just one pickup. Both the neck and bridge pickup sound bigger when soloed, but they still retain that Jazz flavor.
• The biggest difference is the lack of hum due to the Model J's (jays) humbucking setup. Even if this was the only difference, I'd still say the switch was worthwhile.
• Another great benefit is better string-to-string balance in volume and tone. I've noticed while playing with a group that the A and D strings have a more robust sound than before. This is thanks to the adjustable pole pieces on the pickups. I now play the A and D strings more confidently (and frequently) as I don't feel the volume and tone drop that I noticed with the stock pups.

AND FINALLY, THE AUDIO:

There are 16 tracks total. Eight different settings are used, each with a before and after track.

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Old 09-03-2010, 09:31 PM
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Are there any other Jag owners that have dropped in the Model J (jay) pups? I'd be interested to hear what types of strings you use with them and how you like the combination. I have a set of D'Addario steels sitting around that I picked up on clearance awhile ago, but I just haven't put them on yet.
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Old 09-04-2010, 12:52 AM
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I don't have anything to add except nice work on the post.
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Old 09-04-2010, 01:04 AM
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Nice post - very detailed and helpful for reference.
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Old 09-04-2010, 01:11 AM
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YOU ARE THE BEST.

I'm making this exact switch when my Jaguar is done being refinished, and while I'm feeling pretty confident in the Model J's it's great to know what they actually sound like. Super lucky!

Thanks!
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Old 09-04-2010, 06:06 PM
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Very exhaustive! I'm almost sold for the Dimarzio, I thought they were old pickups almost obsolete in comparison with newer designs, but I can hear the difference and they sound...well very good!
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Old 09-04-2010, 11:20 PM
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Thanks for the compliments. I'm intrigued to try the steels and see how different they are. I'd go change them now, but I need to go to bed; gotta play at church early in the morning.
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Old 09-04-2010, 11:22 PM
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YOU ARE THE BEST.

I'm making this exact switch when my Jaguar is done being refinished, and while I'm feeling pretty confident in the Model J's it's great to know what they actually sound like. Super lucky!

Thanks!
What color are you doing on your Jag? Post it here. I love seeing the different colors people come up with. I'm planning on buying another in the future and making it sort of neo-retro: LPB finish, lollipop tuners, swap the bridge pup for a MM (emem). It's gonna be sweet.
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Old 09-05-2010, 12:15 AM
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What color are you doing on your Jag? Post it here. I love seeing the different colors people come up with. I'm planning on buying another in the future and making it sort of neo-retro: LPB finish, lollipop tuners, swap the bridge pup for a MM (emem). It's gonna be sweet.
I might make a thread when it's done. I have just sealed the body but now I'm thinking about sanding that away, staining the body and sealing over that. I have zero confidence in my ability to spray on a color, much less keep it transparent.

I fell in love with the trans-green on Fender's Thurston Moore Jazzmaster, so I'm trying to emulate that; I think the chrome plates will look cool between the black and green. The dye I have is not quite as dark, though. This is my first time refinishing anything so it's been a trial...I'm pretty sure they make you sand things in North Korean death camps. The pickguard and headstock are now black...well, the headstock was black but is now mottled gray after sanding through the color in an attempt to smooth it out before putting a decal on (maybe putting on some clear coat and smoothing that out would have been a better idea)

Anyway, I'm positive that it won't be perfect, but I don't expect a boutique finish anyway. At the very least I've learned a lot in the process.

A MM pickup would be bad as hell, you should definitely go through with that!

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Old 09-06-2010, 07:53 AM
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I definitely plan to, it's just a matter of how quickly I can save up enough pennies to get another Jag. My method for keeping GAS under control and saving my family's budget from disaster is I only buy something new when I sell something old. To get extra cash I buy stuff that is underpriced and flip it on eBay or CL. Mostly I buy stuff that I wanted to try anyway, so I get that benefit plus a little extra money to buy new gear. That's how I bought my current Jag.
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Old 05-23-2011, 12:28 PM
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I just realized I never added my thoughts on the steel strings. I did install the D'Addario ProSteels on the Jag quite awhile ago. They sound really good with the Model J (Jay) pups. They're very bright (duh), but they're not over the top.

I especially enjoy them for the sound I'm looking for (a grindy, punchy, rock and roll sound while playing fingerstyle). The combination of these pups in series with these strings (and my sweet GK MB212) are as close as I've come yet to the sound in my head.
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