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TriuneYHWH 01-31-2013 07:49 PM

Reversing the Reverse Polarity on a J to make a Ric.
 
Hey people (I used to say guys, but I'm told it's not PC),
I was reading today (or YouTubing) that the difference in tone to Ricks and Fender Js is that the two pickups of the J bass have a reverse polarity. It cuts out the noise, but a lot of the "chunk" also. So, the Ricks sound can be attributed to the fact that its two pickups have the same polarity.
The question I have is this- can I get a second neck pickup and put it in the bridge pickup position on my J, effectively reversing the reverse polarity?
That would save me a crap ton of money that don't have at the moment...
Thanks for any help you can offer.
Joe L.

eukatheude 01-31-2013 08:07 PM

You can just swap one pickup's hot and ground wires, but it still won't sound like a ric. The key is in the pup position: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7IcTOnIfmOY

walterw 01-31-2013 10:53 PM

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Originally Posted by TriuneYHWH (Post 13809920)
I was reading today (or YouTubing) that the difference in tone to Ricks and Fender Js is that the two pickups of the J bass have a reverse polarity. It cuts out the noise, but a lot of the "chunk" also. So, the Ricks sound can be attributed to the fact that its two pickups have the same polarity.

nope, not even close.

that the J's pickups are RW/RP from each other and the ric's aren't has no effect at all on the sound. it only removes the hum.

dmusic148 01-31-2013 11:02 PM

What Walter said.

SGD Lutherie 02-01-2013 07:35 PM

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Originally Posted by TriuneYHWH (Post 13809920)
So, the Ricks sound can be attributed to the fact that its two pickups have the same polarity.

Since the two Jazz pickups have reversed magnets, they are also the same polarity.

Ricks have totally different pickups. They are also just different sounding basses and have a slightly shorter scale length than a Fender.

PJRL 02-01-2013 08:07 PM

A Jazz will never sound like a Ric .... you just need a Ric, :smug:
and I want one as well, to go along with my P and J basses...

walterw 02-01-2013 08:14 PM

now if you were to put those jazz pickups in the same locations as on a ric, you'd go a long way towards that sound. (i think at least one TB'er has done that.)

Coolhandjjl 02-02-2013 04:04 PM

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Originally Posted by TriuneYHWH (Post 13809920)
....It cuts out the noise, but a lot of the "chunk" also. So, the Ricks sound can be attributed to the fact that its two pickups have the same polarity...

No truth to that at all. On my 4003 Ric, I did a RWRP mod to the bridge pup (reversed wiring and flipped the magnet). The hum was cancelled, but the tone stayed exactly the same as before the mod.

SGD Lutherie 02-03-2013 06:41 PM

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Originally Posted by TriuneYHWH (Post 13809920)
...
I was reading today (or YouTubing)...

Don't believe everything you see on YouTube. Or read either. Check the source it's coming from. :D

Interestingly my Ibanez sounds a lot like a Rick lately.

lug 02-04-2013 09:53 AM

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Originally Posted by walterw (Post 13815595)
now if you were to put those jazz pickups in the same locations as on a ric, you'd go a long way towards that sound. (i think at least one TB'er has done that.)

Dave Meros of Spock's Beard had a ric with pup pairs in both the Ric and Jazz positions (4 pups total) that he could select between. It certainly worked for him.

xaxxat 02-04-2013 11:17 AM

Dave Meros:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pyp_KpBbuKc

(video is mirror imaged)

I love the sound of that bass.

line6man 02-04-2013 11:39 AM

What you have to understand is that RWRP winding is specifically meant to NOT affect the tone. If you flip the magnets, -or- swap the polarity, the pickups will be out of phase, but if you do both, the signal is the same whether the pickups are RWRP or not. What RWRP winding does is allow any hum to be out of phase while the signal is in phase.

lug 02-05-2013 07:29 AM

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Originally Posted by xaxxat (Post 13827902)
Dave Meros:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pyp_KpBbuKc

(video is mirror imaged)

I love the sound of that bass.

I HAD NO IDEA THEY WERE ALL LEFT-HANDED! :eek:


:D

Pic of his original 4 pup ric (I think)

joelb79 02-05-2013 02:40 PM

I'd love to know how that is wired up.. sweet!

walterw 02-05-2013 07:08 PM

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Originally Posted by SGD Lutherie (Post 13824799)
Don't believe everything you see on YouTube. Or read either. Chuck the source it's coming from. :D

subliminal typo is subliminal :hyper:

a lot of those sources should be "chucked", as in "thrown away".

SGD Lutherie 02-05-2013 07:28 PM

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Originally Posted by walterw (Post 13836510)
subliminal typo is subliminal :hyper:

a lot of those sources should be "chucked", as in "thrown away".

Damn auto spell correct! Maybe it was Chuck Norris. He has a Rickenbacker in his beard.

Meddle 02-06-2013 02:09 AM

Buy a set of toaster pickups, fit one around the 24th fret position, and one around the 3rd fret position up from the bridge and you will be a teeny tiny closer to sounding like a Rick.

DigitalMan 02-07-2013 06:16 AM

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Originally Posted by TriuneYHWH (Post 13809920)
Hey people (I used to say guys, but I'm told it's not PC)

Guys is now considered a gender neutral expression when used to address a mixed or unknown group. Enjoy.


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