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Old 01-18-2013, 10:50 PM
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Plug in the bass and tap on the body. Do you hear anything from the amp?
If the body vibrates when playing, why wouldn't you hear that also?
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Seems like if you play a bass without an amplifier you can hear it's basic personality, then when you plug it in you still hear it, modified by whatever electronics.
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Plug in the bass and tap on the body. Do you hear anything from the amp?
If the body vibrates when playing, why wouldn't you hear that also?
It does, but it's minuscule as compared to the output of the strings. On an acoustic instrument you get far more sound from the body, but less sustain because more energy is being taken from the strings. A banjo is probably the extreme opposite of a solid body. It's very loud and have very little sustain.

I needed to oil an old strap-lock on my bass, because it squeaked when I moved the strap, and that came out clearly through the amp as long as I wasn't playing!
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Seems like if you play a bass without an amplifier you can hear it's basic personality, then when you plug it in you still hear it, modified by whatever electronics.
You can. This is why I decided to make my own pickups. I knew what my basses sounded like unplugged, and I wasn't getting that with the pickups I was using. They sounded like the pickups, and no so much the bass.
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Old 01-19-2013, 12:28 AM
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This always amuses me. There are so many hard battled positions on a topic that basically boils down to voodoo. Yes, for all of our science and understanding, you sometimes just don't know til you get there. There are no certainties to how a piece of wood responds when asked to become a musical instrument, but there are valid probabilities. Ash with a maple board will likely sound noticeably brighter than alder with a rosewood. Likely, but not a certainly, because it won't be true in all cases - just most.
A one piece neck on a one piece body might sing to the heavens, or the neck might twist like a licorice and the body might might cup so bad you'd think it was trying to turn into a bowl. You won't know til you get there.
Then you have to ask who is making the judgement on the impact of these small differences. If it's ear bleed loud run through a maze of pedals, what's left to hear of nuance? I'm not dissing that, because indeed some instruments will respond better to that environment. But, the opinion of a metal guy is going to be of little use to a jazz guy on these subtle differences - and vice versa.
This is true, however within the parameters of a certain wood, you are 90% there. You can make two identical instruments out of mahogany, and they probably wont sound exactly alike. But they will sound like mahogany, and very different from the exact same design made from maple.

I've never heard a case where a maple fingerboard didn't sound like a maple fingerboard, or rosewood or ebony, etc. But the differences can be more subtle depending on the rest of the instrument.

The voodoo part is when people insist a one piece neck sounds better. A three piece maple neck sounds exactly like a one piece neck, but is less prone to twisting.

Having said that, I find that a large part of the tone comes from the neck, since it's a very long unsupported structure. Making the neck very stiff, while not very heavy, helps to prevent dead notes. You can get a very nice resonant tone from using fairly light weight wood for the neck, like poplar, and then reinforcing it with something like carbon graphite.

My friend made this back when we built together. It's all alternate woods; white limba body with quilted maple center, figured oak top with purple heart lamination, and a poplar neck with EI Rosewood fingerboard. The guitar has a very vocal quality to it. A lot of purists think you have to stick to the same woods as on vintage guitars.

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I have a set of your Sidewinders in one of my Ibanezesez. They sound like God on Viagra. They make a cheap Ibanez go toe-to-toe with a Spector Euro. It has a cheap agathis body off an old SR305 and I wonder how much better they would sound in a maple body...

Looking back some of my favorite tone basses were maple.
Peavey T-40
Rickenbacker 4003
Ibanez SR 900 FM
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