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Old 05-24-2009, 10:20 PM
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theoretical junk - acoustic sustainer?

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i'm trying to figure out a way to take the signal from my guitar/bass, and sympathetically resonate a remote set of strings...first i thought about attaching something to my amplifier, but the thing really doesn't shake enough for it to work.

what i want to look into is an electro-acoustic piezo-buzzer (as opposed to a magnetic sustainer). i've used the cheap piezo elements before as pickups, and i know people have used them as sustainers, i'm just wondering how to go about wiring it. 9V? 18V? the signal would be what's coming out of the instrument.
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Old 05-25-2009, 05:45 PM
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Years ago, after being inspired by some custom products built by Steve Holland for guitarist Randy Roos' instruments, my bandmate & I cobbled together some "acoustic sustainors" by basically clamping a small speaker to the headstock or lower bout of a solid body instrument.

A small amplifier fed your own signal into these speakers, essentially creating a feedback loop. It worked great. With a parametric equalizer in between the signal feed and the power amp you could address inconsistancies in response & get it to feedback/sustain infinitely fairly evenly regardless of what note you played.

The Fernandes Sustainor seems to be the commercial evolution of this idea.
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thats pretty much the idea, but i'm not using it for feedback so i'm not too concerned about 'equalizing' the sound. i just want to know how to drive a piezo element...the only control i need (if any) is volume
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Old 05-26-2009, 08:59 AM
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Hmmm...
I'll try to answer... my engineering firm designs the things, among other activities.

The buzzers use PZT-5/brass unimorphs that have a depoling voltage of about 15 volts/mil thickness.

These will appear as an almost pure capacitance in their compliance operated mode, so you can't really apply any power to them with something like an audio amp.

An electroacoustic or electromechanical impedance matching network must be used to make their electrical impedance resistive so they can accept and transform power. This is done in buzzer/beeper assemblies, but only at one frequency.
They only sound at one note...usually designed at 2 to 6 kHz.

So, in short, it can be done. But it's a bit of engineering.
An electromagnetic transducer operated in mass controlled mode coupled to a spider bridge would be easier.

Here are some basics:
http://www.morganelectroceramics.com/pdfs/tp218.pdf
This includes the Mason equivalent circuits we use to design the matching networks.

Long ago I also made a sympathetic string sounder as Hoover mentioned. I used a speaker voice coil. The strings had a jawari bridge, so they buzzed as in a sitar. They had to be tuned very precisely to sound...within a few cents. Worked well though!

So...voice coil and spider bridge...If you really really want a piezo one...well, I can design one for you!

By all means play with the buzzer unimorph disks though. Great fun. An audio amp will not hurt them, since they they cannot accept any power (unless they are still in the plastic impedance matcher, at one note.)

Oh, and I listen to some justly intoned stuff....old Beatles vocals!

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