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08-13-2011, 08:17 PM
| | | | Is there a P-bass pickup which has the sound of a Stingray?
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Ok before everyone tells me to grow a brain and learn how to do a search let me start by saying I did. And I pulled up, oh I dunno, about a billion threads. Most talked about either one or the other, but not what I was asking.
I also have a really bad feeling there is no such thing, but I figured I would ask anyway.
Anyway if anyone has an answer let me know.
Oh almost forgot, I want something passive. |
08-13-2011, 08:20 PM
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08-13-2011, 08:30 PM
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08-13-2011, 10:53 PM
|  | WE ARE SEX BOB-OMB! | | | | | P bass pickups are usually passive and are hot single coils... Stingrays are active humbucking pickups... Completely different sorry dude.
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08-13-2011, 10:57 PM
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Originally Posted by SVE  P bass pickups are usually passive and are hot single coils... Stingrays are active humbucking pickups... Completely different sorry dude. | MusicMan Stingray pickups are passive. Though they do have a rather low impedance output.
P pickups are also clearly not single coils. I'm not sure where you would be getting that idea, when you can see just by looking at them that they have two separate coils?  |
08-13-2011, 11:03 PM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Calgary, Alberta, Canada | | | Some would say the Delano P-bass pickup can get close. Maybe pair that with a Stingray preamp (or close copy thereof) and give that a try, although that undoes your wish to stay passive. How about run a MM pickup passively? Or, just get a Stingray - they are great basses! |
08-13-2011, 11:10 PM
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Originally Posted by line6man MusicMan Stingray pickups are passive. Though they do have a rather low impedance output.
P pickups are also clearly not single coils. I'm not sure where you would be getting that idea, when you can see just by looking at them that they have two separate coils? | Actually the P-bass pickup is two single coils wired to be humbucking, IIRC.
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08-13-2011, 11:44 PM
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Originally Posted by GeneralElectric Actually the P-bass pickup is two single coils wired to be humbucking, IIRC. | A MM humbucker is two coils wired to humcancel, as well.
Single coil means that the pickup as a whole has one, and only one coil.
P pickups are split coils, which means there are two (Or in some cases, four.) coils which are arranged such that one coil senses the E and A strings, while the other coil senses the D and G strings. |
08-14-2011, 12:47 AM
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08-14-2011, 06:35 AM
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08-14-2011, 06:40 AM
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Originally Posted by line6man
A MM humbucker is two coils wired to humcancel, as well.
Single coil means that the pickup as a whole has one, and only one coil.
P pickups are split coils, which means there are two (Or in some cases, four.) coils which are arranged such that one coil senses the E and A strings, while the other coil senses the D and G strings.
| Because any given string is seen only by one coil, and one only, I'd not compare it to a typical humbucker. Soundwise is still a single coil, is it not? And that is why a Jazz neck pickup, located near the P position, does not sound a million miles away.
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08-14-2011, 06:44 AM
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Originally Posted by mcnach Because any given string is seen only by one coil, and one only, I'd not compare it to a typical humbucker. Soundwise is still a single coil, is it not? And that is why a Jazz neck pickup, located near the P position, does not sound a million miles away. | Honestly, I don't think a P pickup sounds a slight bit like a single coil, much closer to a humbucker.
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08-14-2011, 07:38 AM
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Originally Posted by Darkstrike Honestly, I don't think a P pickup sounds a slight bit like a single coil, much closer to a humbucker. | it doesn't sound like the sound you expect a single coil to produce, you mean 
Look at the width of a P pickup, and compare it to the J. The J is a lot thinner, narrower field.
I suppose it's a bit like comparing a stratocaster pickup and a P90, both single coils, but the wider P90 is a fatter rounder pickup.
it's mostly semantics, I admit 
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08-14-2011, 08:07 AM
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Originally Posted by mcnach it doesn't sound like the sound you expect a single coil to produce, you mean
Look at the width of a P pickup, and compare it to the J. The J is a lot thinner, narrower field.
I suppose it's a bit like comparing a stratocaster pickup and a P90, both single coils, but the wider P90 is a fatter rounder pickup.
it's mostly semantics, I admit | No sir, mean it the way I said it.
P pickups are thicker and chunky in the low mids, just like most humbuckers in series, in my experience.
Perfect example is my Roscoe Beck bass, has a humbucker in the P position, with a single coil switch, which by design lands the single coil mode in the neck J spot. Single coil mode sounds exactly like a J, series humbucking sounds close to a P, definitely a lot closer than the single coil setting.
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08-14-2011, 08:23 AM
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08-14-2011, 08:30 AM
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Originally Posted by mcnach Because any given string is seen only by one coil, and one only, I'd not compare it to a typical humbucker. Soundwise is still a single coil, is it not? And that is why a Jazz neck pickup, located near the P position, does not sound a million miles away. | 'Acoustically' it seems to be a single coil but 'electronically' a humbucker.
Single coil with a hum-cancelling dummy coil? (He says guessingly.) |
08-14-2011, 09:03 AM
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08-14-2011, 10:55 AM
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Originally Posted by Darkstrike
No sir, mean it the way I said it.
P pickups are thicker and chunky in the low mids, just like most humbuckers in series, in my experience.
Perfect example is my Roscoe Beck bass, has a humbucker in the P position, with a single coil switch, which by design lands the single coil mode in the neck J spot. Single coil mode sounds exactly like a J, series humbucking sounds close to a P, definitely a lot closer than the single coil setting.
| What I was trying to attract attention to is:
How much of that difference is because of the narrowness of the field and how much because it is single coil?
A wide single coil becomes much fatter sounding :-)
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08-14-2011, 11:03 AM
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08-14-2011, 01:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Ric5 My soultion ... | I'm imagining the strings bending towards the P/U's from all that magnetism.
How's that QP working on the middle string? Do you notice a difference in that strings tone? From the pic it looks like it hangs out between one of the poles from each of the coils?
And FWIW I've never heard any P/U sound anything like a P.
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