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Old 04-21-2011, 06:20 PM
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What are the symtoms of a Hot Pre & Pups?

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Hello All,

Just wanted to know what the symptoms were of having a Hot Pre or Pups?

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Old 04-21-2011, 06:21 PM
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I'm not sure what you're asking.

Either the output is hot or it isn't.
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Old 04-21-2011, 06:34 PM
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How would one know if the pre or pups were to hot? What would tell someone that they were? Sorry if this is a stupid question.

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Old 04-21-2011, 06:41 PM
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How would one know if the pre or pups were to hot? What would tell someone that they were? Sorry if this is a stupid question.

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"Too hot" is entirely subjective.
For pickups, I guess too hot would be an amplitude that distorts the input of a preamp. The limit of how loud something should be is dependent on the input gain stage of whatever it's plugged into.
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I've been confused on this subject as well.

If we adjust the gain knob all the time; does it matter if the bass output is to loud or to quiet?
Are there any advantages on hot electronics?
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I've been confused on this subject as well.

If we adjust the gain knob all the time; does it matter if the bass output is to loud or to quiet?
Are there any advantages on hot electronics?
It is preferable to keep the signal hot from as early in the signal chain as possible to avoid extra noise.
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Old 04-21-2011, 07:33 PM
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If the pick-up output voltage is too high, I turn down the volume pot on my bass and/or the input gain of my amp. IME, too "hot" isn't as big a problem as a lousy S:N ratio or a noisy or distorted signal.
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The only reason I am asking is because I just recently installed some Bart pickups and pre into my Ibanez SR600. And I boosted the gain pot in the pre to a little over halfway and noticed I started to clip the pre amp on my amp. And the amp also gave this distorted sound even when the volume of the amp was turned down.

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Does your amp have a "-10db" input switch or separate input for active bass? If so , try it.
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I've been confused on this subject as well.

If we adjust the gain knob all the time; does it matter if the bass output is to loud or to quiet?
Are there any advantages on hot electronics?
It does matter. A "hot" pickup is one that puts out a higher than "standard" voltage when you play normally. Of course in basses "standard" is rather vague so a lot of this is relative.

But the signs of a "hot" pickup are that you will have your input gain knobs turned down rather low compared to "normal" basses.

To a point this is desirable. What you'd like is to get as much signal as you can into the amp WITHOUT clipping or distorting. This maximizes your signal over hum and noise such as the hiss inherent in the preamp. BUT the more voltage your pickup puts out and the closer you run to clipping, the less headroom you have left for dynamics.

In fact, you eventually can reach a point where the preamp will be distorting even though you've turned down the gain. This is bad. And is also why most bass amps have two inputs where one is labeled "active" and the other "passive". The active input just has a couple of resistors in there to attenuate the input signal down to a level that the preamp active circuits can handle better. It doesn't mean the bass must be "active". You can plug a "hot" passive bass into the "active" input as well to tame the higher voltages.

So basically the differences between "HOT" pickups and normal ones have to do with the tradeoff between Headroom and signal to noise (or hum) ratio. In most cases the volume control on your bass will adjust the output level without resulting in distortion. But some people just like to run the volume wide open because of the tone it gives. In that case you'll need to either use the "active" input or an external attenuator to keep your voltages from overloading the input stage if your pickups are "hot".
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Thanks for the replies so far. I am starting to under stand.

I use a Peavey Bam 210 Combo amp. It has a input trim knob. Maybe I should just turn the pre amp gain pot on the bass down less than half way.

How many people here have a Gain pot in the control cavity of the bass? Does anyone adjust it? Has anyone adusted it to far and caused clipping?

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The only reason I am asking is because I just recently installed some Bart pickups and pre into my Ibanez SR600. And I boosted the gain pot in the pre to a little over halfway and noticed I started to clip the pre amp on my amp. And the amp also gave this distorted sound even when the volume of the amp was turned down.

Shaun
Turn the gain pot down until there is no appreciable distortion.
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