Big E 4x5 - Page 3

DirtPoorRobins · #41 01-22-2013, 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by pmad_bass

Funny, I'm thinking about getting a 4x5 with a cup mounted in the top so that I could attach a Crazy 8 on a pole for personal monitoring purposes.

You know, mike and I have had a few conversations about this and we both came to the same conclusion that the big e series doesn't need an extra speaker that close to your ear. All of my applications with the big e have it tilted up and with the speakers firing toward my head and the sound has always been clear, full, and i can hear my intonation just great, any extra monitor would be over kill.

DirtPoorRobins · #42 01-22-2013, 02:24 PM

If you really wanted to do it, I think the 2x45 would be the way to go, it would give you more vertical dispersion without having to tilt the cab up and the same great sound. These cabs do sound great off the ground too.

pmad_bass · #43 01-23-2013, 06:28 AM

I think you guys have a good point. The thing I've noticed...whenever I have tried to use a personal monitor, is that is is really hard (given the way bass frequencies travel) to hear you bass from the monitor w/o it being at a level that disrupts the balance of the overall volume level (and/or causes feed back). My goal is for me to hear me, not to be loud per se.

bribass · #44 01-23-2013, 08:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Mike Arnopol

I'm so enamored with 4 x 5 that just for shites and giggles I'm going to make myself an 8 x 5. Probably not too practical but it should keep up with an uber 15.

Let's see--dimensions should be 30 x 21 x 12---reasonable

weight---
probably around 55#---not so light

the 4 x 6 goes just about as loud---lots smaller and lighter

but I really like the 5's!

How about a 6x5??

shrigg · #45 01-23-2013, 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by bribass

How about a 6x5??

+1 What would size and weight be for a 6x5?

DoubleMIDI · #46 01-24-2013, 03:04 AM

For a 6x5 you need two 4 Ohms and 4 8 Ohms speakers to get a 4 Ohms box, so the driver needs to be available for both impedances (or you need to mix different drivers).

Otherwise you will get a rather non-standard impedance box.

Mike Arnopol · #47 01-24-2013, 07:55 AM

The 6 x 6 winds up being about 5.3 ohms as a 6 x 5 would be. 5.3 ohms is fine for any amp. More power available than 8 ohms, not quite as much as 4 ohms. I think that a 6 x 5 is a good idea.

It would be about 22 x 24 x 11 and about 40#

It should go louder than the "super 12's" and will go head to head with a standard 4 x 10.

Badong · #48 01-24-2013, 07:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Mike Arnopol

I think that a 6 x 5 is a good idea.

Interesting! I'll be watching these developments as I save for a new cabinet.

Eric S · #49 01-25-2013, 08:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Mike Arnopol

I think that a 6 x 5 is a good idea.

How about with 4 front firing 5s and 2 upward firing 5s like the super flightcase? Might save a little on size and weight. Of course you could do it in composite as well...wishfull thinking.

shrigg · #50 01-25-2013, 09:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Eric S

How about with 4 front firing 5s and 2 upward firing 5s like the super flightcase? Might save a little on size and weight. Of course you could do it in composite as well...wishfull thinking.

I'm gonna go out on a limb here and guess that probably isn't a possibility with this design. God knows how top firing drivers would play with the vortex. Could well endanger low flying aircraft or have other unintended results.

lrhbass · #51 02-04-2013, 09:22 PM

Got the Big E. a little over a week ago. Ran it through a couple of gigs. I must say the box gives a true representation of the upright bass sound. Very even and and ample supply of tone from top to bottom. Once you get your EQ down just play and enjoy the ride. More about this box as I play, different rooms with it. Thanks Mike

bribass · #52 02-05-2013, 01:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Mike Arnopol

I think that a 6 x 5 is a good idea.

It would be about 22 x 24 x 11 and about 40#

It should go louder than the "super 12's" and will go head to head with a standard 4 x 10.

That's exactly what I'm looking for. Something louder than my Wizzy 12 M line, smaller than a 2x12, something close to as loud as a 4x10 but better sounding and more portable, I really don't like 4x10's for upright.

**kerrycares** · #53 02-09-2013, 01:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Mike Arnopol

I'm so enamored with 4 x 5 that just for shites and giggles I'm going to make myself an 8 x 5. Probably not too practical but it should keep up with an uber 15.

Let's see--dimensions should be 30 x 21 x 12---reasonable

weight---
probably around 55#---not so light

the 4 x 6 goes just about as loud---lots smaller and lighter

but I really like the 5's!

forget that , build me a m45 then go giggle ....... lol!

Mike Arnopol · #54 02-09-2013, 02:26 PM

ok--getting caught up with the 45's----took a while because we kept changing things.

So---building 5 more right now and a 8 x 5 for me. In bright red.

Mike Arnopol · #55 02-09-2013, 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by bribass

That's exactly what I'm looking for. Something louder than my Wizzy 12 M line, smaller than a 2x12, something close to as loud as a 4x10 but better sounding and more portable, I really don't like 4x10's for upright.

A 6 x 5 will go a lot louder than an Mline---almost twice as much. It would be a bit louder than 3 10's and very close to a 410.

Treyzer · #56 02-09-2013, 06:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Mike Arnopol

A 6 x 5 will go a lot louder than an Mline---almost twice as much. It would be a bit louder than 3 10's and very close to a 410.

Any chance of making these cabs powered?

Mike Arnopol · #57 02-10-2013, 09:47 PM

already working on it. Only problem is that it will make the cab 3" wider. You can't put anything inside a Big E

1. It impedes the airflow
2.It will get vibrated into smithereens.

Drag is---the amp module is only 9" x 3" x 2" but I'd have to build one whole side out almost 3" to accommodate it. 1000 watts and DSP as an option.

Treyzer · #58 02-13-2013, 01:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Mike Arnopol

already working on it. Only problem is that it will make the cab 3" wider. You can't put anything inside a Big E

1. It impedes the airflow
2.It will get vibrated into smithereens.

Drag is---the amp module is only 9" x 3" x 2" but I'd have to build one whole side out almost 3" to accommodate it. 1000 watts and DSP as an option.

Mike, good to know. Not sure if you're saying that the power amp option makes sense or is just a big pain in the patoot. Would the additional time and effort building the cabinet and amp enclosure make sense in terms of sound, portability and economics or is it just more trouble than it's worth?

Regarding power amp ratings. I have a QSC10 that I use for quick and easy small gigs. That company states that the QSC10 has a 1000 watt power amp. Based on my experience with this unit, it seems the rating is, well, over-rated by quite a good bit. Your insights on these things are much appreciated.

Best,

T

Robin Ruscio · #59 02-13-2013, 02:47 PM

getting more curious. I'm wondering if I should sell my PJB SFC and use my new Puma 900 with a 45. Gotta think about it.

DirtPoorRobins · #60 02-13-2013, 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Robin Ruscio

getting more curious. I'm wondering if I should sell my PJB SFC and use my new Puma 900 with a 45. Gotta think about it.

Hi Robin, I've never directly ab'd the super flight case and the big e's but I've owned both and can tell you the big e's kill the super flight case in every way. For me, the SFC was never loud enough and I just never clicked with it. The big e's tilted back in horizontal position is the best upright sound I've had amplified. People say "it sounds like my bass only louder" about these cabs (but people have said that about a lot of cabs before too), but I don't really care about that because nothing sounds like an acoustic bass unplugged really (I mean you can get real close at low volume with mics and such).

Anyways.... what this cab does best, is a beautiful amplified tone that sounds great at every level, you can control the low end and it still sounds full. I've REALLY killed the low end, really pulled all the lows out, and it still sounds nice and round, but more articulate, it just can't sound wimpy. I've yet to strike out in any room.